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#21 OFFLINE   Bob999

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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:57 PM

First Ford describes a CMAX feature in the Owners manual that it does not have.  In my view this is a safety feature.  When asked Ford then says it doesn't have the feature but they don't correct the owners manual and they don't generally notify owners of the incorrect information about a safety feature. 

 

Second, the feature exists in at least one other Ford model--the 2014 Ford Taurus--so it is not a question of being difficult to implement or anything other than that Ford said the CMAX has be feature but failed to provide it.









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#22 OFFLINE   Phil1336

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:28 PM

All this gibberish about Ford`s reluctance to add this or that so called safety feature or not depending on which (27) States that have Laws and Statutes that mandate or prohibit different items.  What about the level of Tint used in their Fleet of Passengers Cars and different Laws pertaining to Trucks and SUV`s?  Is that the reason Ford refuses to make Daytime Running Lights, DRL`s standard equipment and only available for Fleet Purchase too?  How do other Manufacturers deal with these issues since they sell their Vehicles in the same States?



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 05:47 PM

All this gibberish about Ford`s reluctance to add this or that so called safety feature or not depending on which (27) States that have Laws and Statutes that mandate or prohibit different items.  What about the level of Tint used in their Fleet of Passengers Cars and different Laws pertaining to Trucks and SUV`s?  Is that the reason Ford refuses to make Daytime Running Lights, DRL`s standard equipment and only available for Fleet Purchase too?  How do other Manufacturers deal with these issues since they sell their Vehicles in the same States?

 

Level of tint is easy - 0 for the front windshield below 3 inches from the top, 35 percent on the front 2 windows, any darkness on the back windows and doors here, but there are 49 other laws to pay attention to, the is no law in and of the states the US that requires DRL so the choice is up to the manufacturer unless the car is sold or shipped to Canada which does require DRL



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 06:31 PM

Thanks everyone for the input on my question. I got to try out some of your suggestions tonite.......it was raining when I got off work, not dark enuf yet to need lights. So I changed the wipers from intermittent and lo and behold................the headlights came on!!! As a test I switched back to intermittent and...............the lights went off!!!

 

Chester, we have a winner!!!



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:35 PM

I know there is no longer anything like a simple line of code.

But how hard would to be to insert a line that says something like

 

If wiper wipes more than 1 time within 5 (4?3?) minutes TURN headlight on, if wiper does not wipe more than 1 time within 5 minutes turn headlight off.

 

OK programmers get to programing and submit it to Ford.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:57 PM

I know there is no longer anything like a simple line of code.

But how hard would to be to insert a line that says something like

 

If wiper wipes more than 1 time within 5 (4?3?) minutes TURN headlight on, if wiper does not wipe more than 1 time within 5 minutes turn headlight off.

 

OK programmers get to programing and submit it to Ford.

Perhaps Ford needs to get back to "basics" and put more emphasis on more important issues such as reliability and offering user friendly features and options.  Perhaps taking a step (backwards) and going back to buttons and knobs instead of SYNC and MFT.  There`s eventually a price to be paid for excess "gadgets".  They are fun and cool when they are properly functioning but cause nothing but aggravation and grief when they eventually fail.  Less Programs and even less Programmers, thank you.



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 06:16 PM

Perhaps Ford needs to get back to "basics" and put more emphasis on more important issues such as reliability and offering user friendly features and options.  Perhaps taking a step (backwards) and going back to buttons and knobs instead of SYNC and MFT.  There`s eventually a price to be paid for excess "gadgets".  They are fun and cool when they are properly functioning but cause nothing but aggravation and grief when they eventually fail.  Less Programs and even less Programmers, thank you.

May as well just drive a conventional car. How else could you have a hybrid or PHEV, if not for the computers ?

I like all the tech of the C-Max.  The Energi has more than the hybrid too :worship:


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:34 PM

What I don't understand in all of this is why the behavior is different between the Fusion & the C-Max...

 

So here's a question: is the behavior the same on both rain sensing wiper equipped C-Maxes as one without rain sensing wipers?

 

The FFH without rain sensing wipers will turn the headlights on when the switch is set to "auto" anytime the wipers are on at any speed including the slowest intermittent setting. The headlights don't come on the instant you turn on the wipers, but rather there is a slight delay to make sure that you really are going to turn the wipers on and leave them on. I'm curious if the C-Max behaves differently when equipped with rain sensing wipers versus those without. If all C-Maxes behave differently from the FFH then this kind of sounds like a programming error in the code, kind of like the missing door chime on the C-Max. That error amounts to an error in the code, it's possible the wipers are the same.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 12:24 AM

What I don't understand in all of this is why the behavior is different between the Fusion & the C-Max...

 

So here's a question: is the behavior the same on both rain sensing wiper equipped C-Maxes as one without rain sensing wipers?

 

The FFH without rain sensing wipers will turn the headlights on when the switch is set to "auto" anytime the wipers are on at any speed including the slowest intermittent setting. The headlights don't come on the instant you turn on the wipers, but rather there is a slight delay to make sure that you really are going to turn the wipers on and leave them on. I'm curious if the C-Max behaves differently when equipped with rain sensing wipers versus those without. If all C-Maxes behave differently from the FFH then this kind of sounds like a programming error in the code, kind of like the missing door chime on the C-Max. That error amounts to an error in the code, it's possible the wipers are the same.

It's called vehicle configuration. It's the same language as in the Recall notice.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:59 PM

May as well just drive a conventional car. How else could you have a hybrid or PHEV, if not for the computers ?

I like all the tech of the C-Max.  The Energi has more than the hybrid too :worship:

I personally purchased my first Hybrid for improved Fuel Economy and for Environmental reasons.  The Gadgets, not so much.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:09 PM

What was your first hybrid ? The C-Max ?

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 11:56 AM

I quit using the auto headlights shortly after purchasing.  Headlights off UNTIL parking in garage and not coming on in the rain did not make me happy.  Not much of an effort to turn the switch. 



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:40 PM

I quit using the auto headlights shortly after purchasing.  Headlights off UNTIL parking in garage and not coming on in the rain did not make me happy.  Not much of an effort to turn the switch. 

When the sensor detects the lack of daylight, it's designed to activate the headlamps. So when you pull into the garage, they will come on by design.

The headlamps will only come on with the wipers set to the low or high wiper switch settings. Not in rain sense/auto mode.


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#34 OFFLINE   Tomasz Karwowski

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 11:47 AM

Auto Light rain . I Turn on the wippers nad lamps on after 10 sec . I Turn off the wippers - lamps off after 60 sec .

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 03:35 PM

When the sensor detects the lack of daylight, it's designed to activate the headlamps. So when you pull into the garage, they will come on by design.

The headlamps will only come on with the wipers set to the low or high wiper switch settings. Not in rain sense/auto mode.

 

 

The lights WILL come on according to the owner's manual if you have the rain sensor wipers and the headlight control in Auto.  The wipers do have to be in a continuous movement with no long delay between wipes, however.  I have had the lights come on when the rain sensor has operated the wipers in a similar fashion to the low setting of turning the wipers on.  When the wipes slow down, the lights go off.  No need for the driver to do anything while driving in a steady rain for the lights to come on with rain sensor on.

 

Pasted from the owner's manual

 

Note:
If you switch on the autolamps with
the autowipers, the low beam headlamps
will turn on automatically when the rain
sensor turns on the windshield wipers

continuously



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 07:01 AM

The lights WILL come on according to the owner's manual if you have the rain sensor wipers and the headlight control in Auto.  The wipers do have to be in a continuous movement with no long delay between wipes, however.  I have had the lights come on when the rain sensor has operated the wipers in a similar fashion to the low setting of turning the wipers on.  When the wipes slow down, the lights go off.  No need for the driver to do anything while driving in a steady rain for the lights to come on with rain sensor on.

Yes there is a need for the driver to do something. This behavior does not meet the legal requirements of many states to have your headlights on anytime you use the wipers.



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 08:18 AM

Yes there is a need for the driver to do something. This behavior does not meet the legal requirements of many states to have your headlights on anytime you use the wipers.

So then Ford is building cars and trucks with illegal features?   The cars and trucks really aren't legal to sell in lights on with wipers states?

 

I would think the state laws require the lights on when the wipers are being used in a continuous motion.  If not, you would violate the laws by turning on the wash cycle and only having the wipers sweep several times and the lights weren't on.  Or if you hit the mist cycle and the wipers turned on for two sweeps but the lights didn't come on.

 

I will leave my rain sensors on and the light switch in AUTO as I have for the last 4 years or so in my vehicles that have those features.  The lights have always come on as I stated in my post, and I don't anticipate any citations or illegal actions to occur because of it.



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 01:41 PM

So then Ford is building cars and trucks with illegal features?   The cars and trucks really aren't legal to sell in lights on with wipers states?

Ford builds cars with turn signals.  the turn signals  don't work automatically  it takes driver input to turn them on..  The cars can exceed the speed limit.  it takes driver input to maintain the proper speed.

 

if you live in a state where the law states if you wipers are on, then you must also turn on your lights.  Driver input.    Pretty simple.  turn on the wipers, turn on the lights.

 

Personally I hate the Auto Wiper feature.  if the car in front of me on the highway cleans their window  and I get a few drops on my window,  Bam the wipers come on and smear the few drops around,  so then I have to run the spritzer and clean the whole window, which I also don't like the washer cycle  as it always wants to do one or two swipes more than needed and you end up with smears...

 

IMO  its almost to easy to drivers to drive cars anymore.  it take no thought or skill as the cars are becoming more and more advanced and automatic.  Which is why you see more and more people  driving, eating reading books, doing makup, texting, ect...  when all they should be doing is DRIVING...



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 01:56 PM

Personally I hate the Auto Wiper feature.  if the car in front of me on the highway cleans their window  and I get a few drops on my window,  Bam the wipers come on and smear the few drops around,  so then I have to run the spritzer and clean the whole window, which I also don't like the washer cycle  as it always wants to do one or two swipes more than needed and you end up with smears...

 

Personally, I love the Auto Wipe feature.  Ever pass or be passed by a big rig or bus while it is raining, snowing, or the road is wet or there are big puddles, etc?    You know, you get that BIG wave or gush of water from the passing vehicle.  With the rain sensor the wipers will turn on almost instantly and clear the windshield, and run the wipers fast if needed to keep it clear.  Without rain sensor, while the window is obstructed, you have to take your eyes off the road and look down to where the wiper switch is.  Or if you know by sense where the wiper switch is, you still have to take one hand off the steering wheel and turn them on.  Not a good thing to be doing when being passed by a big rig on a wet or slippery road.  You then have to make sure you set the speed correctly to keep the wipers going fast enough to clear the window.  Then you have to shut them off once the rig or bus has passed, again taking a hand off the wheel.

 

I have never had the wipers come on because someone in front cleaned their windshield and mine got some drops on it.  Of course, I don't have mine set on a super sensitive setting either.  You can set the sensitivity of when the wipers will wipe very easily by using the knob on the switch.  Problem solved.



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 02:10 PM

Ls  I use rain-ex  religiously...  so I try not to use my wipers if I can help it...

 

if you've had a rain at night and going under tree's the next morning  drops of water falling off the tree kicking the auto wipers on.  its a neat function,  but I thought it was gimmicky...  maybe my sensor is just more sensitive than others...

 

I can flick the wiper lever without taking my hands off the wheel or eyes off the road   pull the lever towards you and it sprays and wipes, or push down and it cycles once...








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