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#1 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 16 February 2015 - 05:34 PM

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I decided to edit this to say I don't  recommend this because of failing Trans problems and heating could make the Trans run a little hotter. Maybe 5*F hotter, not much, but no reason to make it worse.  ;)

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Well I went the next step to improving short trip mileage by installing Transmission Heater Pad, a  Wolverine Model 9 Pan Heater, 125Watts/120vac. I needed to file down ridges some on the bottom of Trans to make it easier for Heating Pad to stick to Trans.  I plugged in Block, Oil Pan and Trans Heater pads for over two hours this morning getting TFT145*F, WT135*F and IT95*F with outside temp in the garage at 60*F .  With all Grill Covers on temps dropped about 10*F  for the first minute with outside temps 40*F and 2.4mi. trip, TFT145*F, WT182*F and IT64*F when I got to work.

 
For those with ScanGaugeII here are the Codes you need to add to get Transmission Fluid Temp:

TXD: 07E6221E1C

RXF: 0462051E061C

RXD: 3010

MTH: 00900320020

NAM: TFT

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:)

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Posted 17 February 2015 - 02:22 PM

Great idea.  Thank for sharing.

 

Too bad there's no selectable oil temp or trans oil temp gauge in the cluster.



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Posted 17 February 2015 - 03:13 PM

Great idea.  Thank for sharing.

 

Too bad there's no selectable oil temp or trans oil temp gauge in the cluster.

The ICE computer is capable of giving all kinds of info, but I don't think FORD wants people to have it, just asking for problems. 

I just heard from my FORD SM that  his FORD contact said Trans Fluid Temp should be the same as WT 200*F-220*F. 

"Houston We Have A Problem"!

Yesterday I made a 100mi. trip to Atlanta and back with Outside temps 39-40*F and TFT got up to 246*F with Grill Covers on. An Hour later I returned home and at about half way TFT had gotten to 235*F so I stopped on a off ramp and removed lower Grill Cover where Trans Cooler is.  To my surprise the TFT temp kept going up to 250*F for the rest of the trip.  The only reason I can figure for this was that after removing lower Grill Cover the WT never got above 215*F so the shutters never opened to improve air flow through the Trans Cooler.   Another possibility would be some restriction in the oil flow.

It sure would be nice if members with ScanGaugeII's or Torque Apps would monitor TFT to see what numbers they are coming up with.

 

If I have a problem I would like to take care of it before my warranty runs out. ;)

 

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Posted 18 February 2015 - 07:44 AM

200+ sustained for trans is just a death wish  heat kills the fluid

 

 

are there any free apps for apple.  I have a bluetooth plug for the cars OBD port  but when I had my prius I had an android and was able to run torque lite...

 

if you have a good app for the iphone  I could start capturing some data for you  on my 18 mile commute...


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Posted 18 February 2015 - 08:13 AM

If I have a problem I would like to take care of it before my warranty runs out. ;)

 

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Paul, could any of the ridges you had to file down have been there for heat removal? It sounds far fetched, but thought I'd at least offer the idea.



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Posted 18 February 2015 - 09:56 AM

200+ sustained for trans is just a death wish  heat kills the fluid

 

 

are there any free apps for apple.  I have a bluetooth plug for the cars OBD port  but when I had my prius I had an android and was able to run torque lite...

 

if you have a good app for the iphone  I could start capturing some data for you  on my 18 mile commute...

I'm not aware of any iPhone Apps, Apple is hard to work with apparently. I think you can operate Torque on a laptop.

I think CVT Trans Fluid is more like Motor Oil so it can handle higher temps, but I'm having problems getting any info on it.

 

Paul, could any of the ridges you had to file down have been there for heat removal? It sounds far fetched, but thought I'd at least offer the idea.

Not much surface area so I think they were for strength, having pad there will make Trans run a little hotter, few degrees. :)

 

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Posted 18 February 2015 - 10:16 AM

I don' thave a cord, and my laptop doesn't have BT .    andmy android was a work phone  swapped out for  iphone...

 

the problem I'm finding with the apple apps  is that they do not support BT.  wifi yes  but not BT...



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Posted 18 February 2015 - 10:43 AM

I don' thave a cord, and my laptop doesn't have BT .    andmy android was a work phone  swapped out for  iphone...

 

the problem I'm finding with the apple apps  is that they do not support BT.  wifi yes  but not BT...

They don't make it easy. I'm glad I have a ScanGaugeII because it is dedicated to the car although I can go from one car to another no problem. They tried to work with me to get the right Codes to get TFT to work. eBay and Amazon  has them for sale. :)

 

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Posted 18 February 2015 - 10:51 AM

spent the 5 bucks... for this   http://www.ksolution...enginelink.html

 

when I get home  I'll see if it works..

 

although if it does work,  not sure what my commute numbers will show with temps in the teens right now..


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Posted 18 February 2015 - 02:59 PM

I looked at getting the Scan Gauge II, till I found an OBDII Bluetooth reader on Amazon for $20 delivered to my door.  It arrived today and I tested it out on my Highlander with Torque Pro and Note 4.  If my C-Max ever gets built and delivered I'd be glad to help out.


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Posted 18 February 2015 - 03:09 PM

Just so you guys know...... Adding these data capture devices can sometimes

cause vehicle network problems as they can/will interfere with the vehicles

ability to communicate between it's modules on the network. We have had proof

that they can and will cause the Wrench and Service Engine lights to come on.



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Posted 18 February 2015 - 08:12 PM

Just so you guys know...... Adding these data capture devices can sometimes

cause vehicle network problems as they can/will interfere with the vehicles

ability to communicate between it's modules on the network. We have had proof

that they can and will cause the Wrench and Service Engine lights to come on.

ScanGauge just plugs in unlike blue tooth and Wi-Fi

 

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Posted 19 February 2015 - 01:29 AM

p.

I think CVT Trans Fluid is more like Motor Oil so it can handle higher temps, but I'm having problems getting any info on it.

 

Shouldent the shop manual say what the tolerances are? The manual is typically extremely detailed.



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Posted 19 February 2015 - 08:38 AM

Motorcraft® MERCON® LV Automatic Transmission Fluid XT-10-QLVC

 

Motor/Generator Coil Temp over Temp
Motor/Generator Coil Temp > 140 deg C OR Transmission Oil Temp > 115 deg C
 
So, it looks like the transmission fluid runs fairly cool compared to engine coolant based on the setting for the transmission over temp.  It also looks like the transmission fluid is lower viscosity than the engine oil.

 

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Posted 19 February 2015 - 11:12 AM

I just talked to a FORD AutoNation SW who talked to Transmission Specialist who looked it up and said it will trip a code at 301*F and come up with a wrench symbol. I'm surprised that it could go that high without hurting something. I'm not really having any problems with the Transmission. ;)

 

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Posted 19 February 2015 - 11:18 AM

have there been any topics showing the problems using BT devices kicking the CEL

 

the app did not work with the BT obd2 reader  I have a line on an android device that I'm going to run.

 

before i got my iphone  I was using torque with no problems..


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Posted 19 February 2015 - 11:55 AM

have there been any topics showing the problems using BT devices kicking the CEL

 

 

 

I believe drdiesel1 meant any devices doing continuous logging.  Whether the scanner connects via bluetooth, wifi or a hardwired cable is immaterial.  The bus is only so fast so if you're monitoring a large number of PID's, you could fill up the pipe in theory.

 

I've used a few different OBDII scanners over the past 15+ years, and have never set a code on any vehicle because of their use.  Just because I haven't had that issue, doesn't mean it couldn't happen.


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Posted 23 February 2015 - 03:14 PM

This  morning I had the Trans Heater on for three hours and It was reading 148*F with garage temp of 57*F.  My HVB was low so the ICE started up immediately and TFT dropped to 132*F quickly and back up to 136*F by the time I got to work in 2.4mi., an indication that the Trans pump is working some, OT was 41*F. :)

 

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 07:45 AM

ok

 

Well I got torque pro running now, on my wifes  old android phone but  its not recognizing any of the trans temp sensor data...

 

so I am looking for a PID to get the data I need   I think I found one on the ecoboost site.  so I'll give it a go when I get home today..

 

I have an 800 mile trip from Dc to florida on thursday  so I'll be able to log some serious data over a wide range of external temps at a fairly constant speed. if the PID works...


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 02:38 PM

Can't wait to hear how it turns out.

 

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Edited by ptjones, 24 February 2015 - 05:12 PM.







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