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Toad Charge from LSL Products - charge line for towing


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#1 OFFLINE   bossvt

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 07:13 AM

Hi, I am new to this forum.  We bought a 2013 C-Max a few months ago with the specific intent of towing it behind our motor home.  Turns out we are now also using it as our primary vehicle.

 

Initially I was having problems with the battery draining after about 4 hours of towing.  I suspected the charge line we were using was inadequate. Therefore, I just recently installed a Toad Charge from LSL Products.  Had my first real test of it this past weekend, and it worked great.  No battery problems after 2 different 6+ hour stints of towing.

 

I made a video of the installation, so I'll share it here.  https://youtu.be/dYA5kwHr084

 

By the way, we chose to go with primarily RoadMaster towing gear, but we do use a Blue Ox Patriot braking system.  









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#2 OFFLINE   wab

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:42 AM

Greetings and welcome
The cmax has been an excellent toad, we have over 10K towed miles on it.
 
We like to share the $'s, Roadmaster tow bar, Brake Buddy charge wire, Blue Ox base plate.
 
I don't like the Patriot braking system
( the 3 legged base is a terrible idea + when it's time for the morning and every 2 hour motor run I can't get in the car )
and plan to install an Invisibrake.



#3 OFFLINE   garymkrieg

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 12:49 PM

We tow a 2015 Fusion Energi, as we fulltime RV. My question is how do you set the car up for tow.  Is the ignition off or in accessory?  Our manual stays to turn the car off, which we do.  The longest we have towed without disconnecting or charging the car was three consecutive days, Las Vegas to Seattle, our battery was just fine after three days.  My assumption is that with the car off the draw on the battery is the same as if it were parked. So why after 4 hours of towing is it dead, would it be dead after sitting 4 hours in a parking lot?



#4 OFFLINE   wab

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 11:10 PM

We tow a 2015 Fusion Energi, as we fulltime RV. My question is how do you set the car up for tow.  Is the ignition off or in accessory?  Our manual stays to turn the car off, which we do.  The longest we have towed without disconnecting or charging the car was three consecutive days, Las Vegas to Seattle, our battery was just fine after three days.  My assumption is that with the car off the draw on the battery is the same as if it were parked. So why after 4 hours of towing is it dead, would it be dead after sitting 4 hours in a parking lot?

 

We have to have our SEL in accessory because the transmission is in neutral.

When I hit the stop button most of the car goes to sleep, BUT not everything which will run the 12V battery down after a couple of hours, the MH keeps the battery charged through the charge wire.



#5 OFFLINE   garymkrieg

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Posted 22 July 2015 - 09:31 AM

I'm confused.  When you hit the start button, put the car in neutral and hit the stop button again the car does not turn off?  You don't get the "thank you for driving a hybrid" message? The original instructions from Ford had people keep the car in accessory mode.  The new instructions from Ford says to turn the car off. I understand what the charge line does what I don't understand is whether you are towing with the car off.

 

Gary



#6 OFFLINE   wab

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:56 PM

When the transmission is in neutral and I hit the stop button the only message I see is "Shift to Park" and some warning chimes.

If I sit in the car long enough the dash light go out just like it's going to sleep, same thing happens when I hit stop and open the door.

 

The car is NOT asleep just dozing, the battery WILL go dead after a few hours with NO charge wire.



#7 OFFLINE   garymkrieg

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 11:27 AM

It must be the difference in model year.  When I press the stop button after putting in neutral I get the "transmission is not in park" message but I also get the "Thanks for driving a hybrid" message like I do whenever I turn the car off.  As I said earlier we towed from Las Vegas to Seattle, a total of 13 hours towing over three days with never disconnecting the car from the motorhome.  I'm glad the Toad Charge is working for you, LSL is a good company, we use some the their other products.

 

Gary



#8 OFFLINE   hmatthews102

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 11:31 AM

I just returned from a trip to the east coast and back.  I had installed a BrakeBuddy charger and when I stopped after my first days drive the battery was dead.  Checked fuse and everything was as it should be.  Apparrenty the thing is a waste of money.  I took it out and simply extended the power line from the MH direct to the jump point under the hood.  Line is putting out approx 14 volts with MH engine running.  After driving the next day the car was charged and all was good.  No problem rest of trip.  Is there any downside to running this way as opposed to having a charge control device installed?



#9 ONLINE   Plus 3 Golfer

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 01:33 PM

I just returned from a trip to the east coast and back.  I had installed a BrakeBuddy charger and when I stopped after my first days drive the battery was dead.  Checked fuse and everything was as it should be.  Apparrenty the thing is a waste of money.  I took it out and simply extended the power line from the MH direct to the jump point under the hood.  Line is putting out approx 14 volts with MH engine running.  After driving the next day the car was charged and all was good.  No problem rest of trip.  Is there any downside to running this way as opposed to having a charge control device installed?

What's the rating of the BrakeBuddy.?  My guess it's 1 - 2 Amps (trickle charger = $17).  That's likely not enough to keep the C-Max battery charged when in N. That's only 12 -24 Watts.  The active modules likely use more than that.   The Toad Charge = $80 appears to be a 10 Amp maximum output which would be able to keep up with about a 120 Watt load.  Most times you get what you pay for. :)

 

By directly paralleling the C-Max and MH batteries, your MH voltage regulator is now trying to regulate two batteries as one AND the C-Max battery can also supply load to the MH.  This is why the Toad Charge has this feature:

 

  "The TOAD-CHARGEā„¢ kit consists of several components: The Charge Controller installs in the towed vehicle's engine compartment - It monitors the charging current and prevents reverse current flow when the motorhome engine is started."

 

So, the issue is that you will have different voltage drops across the batteries when charging because of the different wire lengths (resistance) involved and the batteries are not the same size which they should be using two wired in parallel on one charge controller.


Edited by Plus 3 Golfer, 23 October 2017 - 10:08 PM.


#10 OFFLINE   hmatthews102

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 09:46 PM

Thanks.  I will not be regularly towing the Cmax, but I want it right when I do.  I will put a Toad Charger on it.  I am also setting up a Miata to tow flat.  That will be my usual tow car.  I have been using a dolly for the last several years, but it is getting to be too much for me to move around if I have to take it off the MH. 








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