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#41 OFFLINE   Adrian_L

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 12:08 PM

So if I made it to the drive-in with my Energi fully charged I wonder how much battery I'd burn through sitting in "ON" for 4-ish hours...

 

Wonder how hard it is to unplug the headlights...

 

Might be easier to just pull the headlight fuse.  









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Posted 27 May 2016 - 07:44 AM

Might be easier to just pull the headlight fuse.  

I've yet to try it and find it hard to believe, but I've heard reports that even doing that somehow doesn't turn them off...



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Posted 27 May 2016 - 08:57 AM

Which would REALLY suck at the drive-in since I've also got DRL's which Ford apparently requires to be on any time the car is on, never mind if you're driving or not...

 

DRL for my Fusion Hybrid don't come on when the transmission is in Park.  Only when you put it in Drive do they come on.



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Posted 27 May 2016 - 11:45 AM

DRL for my Fusion Hybrid don't come on when the transmission is in Park.  Only when you put it in Drive do they come on.

I had it on my 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid, and that is the way they worked.



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Posted 31 May 2016 - 08:40 AM

DRL for my Fusion Hybrid don't come on when the transmission is in Park.  Only when you put it in Drive do they come on.

That's how every other car I've had worked as well.  and/or there was a parking brake off function and/or a specific switch for "drl off".

 

Not so on my 2013 Cmax Energi.  If the car is "on" (even if it's just a single button press without the brake and the car isn't even ready to drive) those stupid headlights are on...

 

I like DRL's, but if I didn't think it would be like $100 for the dealer to turn them off, I think I'd have it done.  Sometimes I just want to park and NOT have my headlights on...



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Posted 31 May 2016 - 11:52 AM

That's how every other car I've had worked as well.  and/or there was a parking brake off function and/or a specific switch for "drl off".

 

Not so on my 2013 Cmax Energi.  If the car is "on" (even if it's just a single button press without the brake and the car isn't even ready to drive) those stupid headlights are on...

 

I like DRL's, but if I didn't think it would be like $100 for the dealer to turn them off, I think I'd have it done.  Sometimes I just want to park and NOT have my headlights on...

You can check in with your dealer. It takes only a minute to turn them off - they might do it for you cheap or free. Mine would have done it for free, but the 2014 doesn't have the setting. 2015 and later have it selectable in the left hand driver settings screen.

 

The setting is in the Body Control Module.



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Posted 05 June 2016 - 12:15 AM

Yeah, that really bites.  Time to retire the C-Max for our drive-in nights.  Portable radio is okay for warm nights but doesn't do much good up here during spring or fall as sometimes some heat or defogging of windows is necessary.

 

Every post I read on here said to just start with the emergency brake and the lights won't come on and the car would start and stop as required.  DRL's have been mandated here since 1990 and I've never had an issue with any other keyless ignition vehicle until this one.  

 

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Drive-in's do not exist anymore in my area so its not an issue but now that you mention it that would be a pain if I was a regular customer of drive-in's.



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Posted 02 August 2016 - 07:24 AM

When I bought my 2013 SEL used it had a former life as a fleet vehicle and as a result the headlights operated much like motorcycle lights when I first bought it.  If the engine was "on" then the lights were on, the headlight control knob on the dash was non responsive.

 

I took the car back to the service department a few days after buying and for $35 they reprogrammed the BCM to allow full control of the headlights by the switch on the dash - Off, Park, On and Auto.

 

This DID disable my DRLs so I'm not sure if that's allowable in Canada but I would much prefer the ability to control the lights rather than have them always on.  The houses are close together and there are times when the car is parked at night or in the morning when it's nice not to wake up the neighbors.  If it's particularly dark, cloudy, glare/dusk, etc. I just switch them on when needed.

 

Just wanted to mention it so you would know there IS a setting in IDS somewhere to control this, you might want to check with your ford service department to see if there is anything they can do to help if it bothers you.



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Posted 02 August 2016 - 08:59 AM

When I bought my 2013 SEL used it had a former life as a fleet vehicle and as a result the headlights operated much like motorcycle lights when I first bought it.  If the engine was "on" then the lights were on, the headlight control knob on the dash was non responsive.

 

I took the car back to the service department a few days after buying and for $35 they reprogrammed the BCM to allow full control of the headlights by the switch on the dash - Off, Park, On and Auto.

 

This DID disable my DRLs so I'm not sure if that's allowable in Canada but I would much prefer the ability to control the lights rather than have them always on.  The houses are close together and there are times when the car is parked at night or in the morning when it's nice not to wake up the neighbors.  If it's particularly dark, cloudy, glare/dusk, etc. I just switch them on when needed.

 

Just wanted to mention it so you would know there IS a setting in IDS somewhere to control this, you might want to check with your ford service department to see if there is anything they can do to help if it bothers you.

 

Hehe, I've started monkeying with the Ford IDS and Forscan, etc.  I'm taking a break at the moment cause this little annoyance is causing me too much frustration!

 

I even found out that those DRL's are forced on if you're plugged in charging and turn the car "on".  Love DRL, but can't fathom why they would not give SOME sort of option to turn them OFF.

 

Anyway, I've tried Forscan and Ford's IDS.  The IDS software is SO INCREDIBLY OBTUSE...  (like go click through a drop down on the left, but it won't actually do anything until you go click a checkmark on the bottom right...)

 

But with either software, all I can find is about 5 or 6 programmable items in the BCM.  Things like "trunk illumination enabled" "Drive wipe pause time", etc...  Nothing about the DRL's.  Everywhere else I've seen it says there should be an "Exterior lighting" option in there.  I have yet to find it.  Not sure if my car just has it in a completely different spot that I've yet to find, or it requires some slightly different hardware/software to talk to it or if there's something else weird about it...



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Posted 02 August 2016 - 09:11 AM

It sounds like Ford's implementation of DRLs is consistent with Canadian laws for DRLs.  Cars in the US can have DRLs that have more elaborate logic, but in Canada they have to be on anytime the car is on.  I 'd bet that Ford has just opted to implement one set of DRL logic for both markets.



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Posted 02 August 2016 - 11:41 AM

It sounds like Ford's implementation of DRLs is consistent with Canadian laws for DRLs.  Cars in the US can have DRLs that have more elaborate logic, but in Canada they have to be on anytime the car is on.  I 'd bet that Ford has just opted to implement one set of DRL logic for both markets.

 

In Canada it is against the law to be in park with the engine on for more than something like three minutes.

https://www.thestar....st_you_125.html



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Posted 02 August 2016 - 03:27 PM

It sounds like Ford's implementation of DRLs is consistent with Canadian laws for DRLs.  Cars in the US can have DRLs that have more elaborate logic, but in Canada they have to be on anytime the car is on.  I 'd bet that Ford has just opted to implement one set of DRL logic for both markets.

The 2015 and later (US) models have the option to turn the DRL on and off. I imagine they simply removed that option from the driver setup menu for Canadian models.



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 08:06 AM

I wish I could tell you but I wasn't in the shop with the techs when they did the reprogramming.  The only reason I knew you could even do it is because someone else here had mentioned it in another post. 

 

I'm not sure whether the setting had anything to do with DRLs or not - as far as I could tell originally when my headlights were on, they were on - not half bright or whatever trick they did instead of using separate light assemblies for DRLs on the 2013.  It wouldn't surprise me if it was a special programming they did at the factory to just associate Engine On with Headlights On for rental car company and other types of fleet vehicles..of course I'm speculating.

 

"stevedebi" seems to know, and responded in this thread - maybe that's where I heard about it originally.

 

I understand that Canadian law is different.  We won't be that lucky but you'd think that they could program it to respond to other input like parking brake applied.

 

I had a similar issue with the HHR, there were courtesy lights under the rear view mirror that would illuminate when a door - including the back hatch, was open regardless of any other control settings in the car.  I had to pull a fuse to get it to shut off. 

 

I would've liked to stretch out in the back and watch the movie but kind of a moot point anyway because the drive-in owner didn't want the hatch height to go about the roofline of the car anyway - I ended up just getting a folding chair and sitting outside the car to watch the movie.  I think I'll bring a portable radio too, that way I don't have to worry about the battery running down.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 09:38 AM

It sounds like Ford's implementation of DRLs is consistent with Canadian laws for DRLs.  Cars in the US can have DRLs that have more elaborate logic, but in Canada they have to be on anytime the car is on.  I 'd bet that Ford has just opted to implement one set of DRL logic for both markets.

You're telling me that parked cars in Canda that have the car "on" are required to have their headlights on?  That sounds a bit much...

 

Definitely wasn't true in 1991.  I had a 1991 Isuzu Impulse RS imported from Canada and it still had the ability to be parked with the handbrake on and DRL's NOT on...



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 09:41 AM

In Canada it is against the law to be in park with the engine on for more than something like three minutes.

https://www.thestar....st_you_125.html

 

Yeah, but that's awfully muddy water there with hybrids and EV's etc...  Are we only talking about combustible fuel engines idling?  In that case, many hybrids will be able to sit there with the AC on without a problem.  And all EV's and sometimes PHEV's as well...

 

If that's not ok, then I'm assuming you're not allowed to sit and listen to the radio in your car either?  Meaning all drive-ins are illegal?  Or are they implementing requirements as to just how much power you're allowed to use while parked?



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 09:44 AM

I wish I could tell you but I wasn't in the shop with the techs when they did the reprogramming.  The only reason I knew you could even do it is because someone else here had mentioned it in another post. 

 

I'm not sure whether the setting had anything to do with DRLs or not - as far as I could tell originally when my headlights were on, they were on - not half bright or whatever trick they did instead of using separate light assemblies for DRLs on the 2013.  It wouldn't surprise me if it was a special programming they did at the factory to just associate Engine On with Headlights On for rental car company and other types of fleet vehicles..of course I'm speculating.

 

 

Yeah, my car's title is listed as "Fleet" but according to the data that was still in the GPS it looked like it belonged to a doctor in Ohio.  

 

Mine definitely has DRL's with reduced brightness.  I can see when I pull in the garage one level and then they get brighter when it decides that the auto headlamps need to come on.



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 11:34 AM

You're telling me that parked cars in Canda that have the car "on" are required to have their headlights on?  That sounds a bit much...

 

Definitely wasn't true in 1991.  I had a 1991 Isuzu Impulse RS imported from Canada and it still had the ability to be parked with the handbrake on and DRL's NOT on...

 

The simplified guide I got to temporarily importing one of my car to Canada said they had to always be on and that it would fail the safety inspection if there was a way to turn them off, but more detailed investigations indicates that I was mislead and that is not the case.  I stand corrected :)

 

From the Canadian regulation

 

Switching

  • (54)  Subject to subsections (55) and (56), daytime running lamps shall be on continuously when the engine is operating and the master lighting switch is not in the headlamps on position.

  • (55)  Daytime running lamps may switch off

    • (a)  while the automatic transmission control is in the park or neutral position;

    • (b)  while the parking brake is applied; or

    • ©  after the engine is started but before the vehicle is set in motion for the first time.

 

This leads me to believe the auto manufacturers are just keeping their systems simpler by leaving them on all the time. 

 

Ford has been doing this for quite a while.  My 2005 Class-C Motorhome was built in Canada for the US market, but as such has DRLs that similarly cannot be turned off.  It's really annoying when you are trying to pull in to a campground after dark and set up camp in a stealthy manner.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 12:17 PM

This leads me to believe the auto manufacturers are just keeping their systems simpler by leaving them on all the time. 

 

Ford has been doing this for quite a while.  My 2005 Class-C Motorhome was built in Canada for the US market, but as such has DRLs that similarly cannot be turned off.  It's really annoying when you are trying to pull in to a campground after dark and set up camp in a stealthy manner.

 

Some manufacturers might, but this is my first Ford and the first time I've run into this.  There's always been some option for turning them off.  Either with the parking brake or an actual "DRL Off" switch.

Heck, even the newer Fords apparently have a menu setting for turning the DRL off or on as they have an instructional video for it.



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Posted 03 August 2016 - 04:10 PM

Yeah, my car's title is listed as "Fleet" but according to the data that was still in the GPS it looked like it belonged to a doctor in Ohio.  

 

Mine definitely has DRL's with reduced brightness.  I can see when I pull in the garage one level and then they get brighter when it decides that the auto headlamps need to come on.

I believe that one can order from fleet sales; it doesn't have to be for an actual fleet. Or at least that is my understanding.



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Posted 03 July 2018 - 12:11 PM

Just called my dealer and they found a solution: turn the car off, just press the radio on button, not the starter button. The accessories are on, but not the car nor the headlights. I will be testing it in a drivein tonight, but in the garage, it all seemed to work.






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