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#1 OFFLINE   Seymour_Bears

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:10 PM

I've always done my own oil changes. I put the C-Max up on my ramps last night to look under the engine. There's a shield under the full length of the engine compartment (I assume for airflow purposes). Several torx head screws hold it in place. DIY oil changes just got more difficult.







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#2 OFFLINE   dtorres

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:55 PM

It's the same on the new Focus and Escape. Several guys on the Escape forums said that after you find the right torx bit it only adds an extra 10 minutes or so to remove and then replace the cover.

#3 OFFLINE   RedLdr1

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 10:27 PM

My 2012 Taurus SHO also has a huge shield under the engine. But fortunately someone was thinking ahead and used captive Dzus style fasteners, instead of loose Torx screws, on it. I suspect that as the EPA MPG requirements go up we will find more not so noticeable streamlining being installed on all cars.

#4 OFFLINE   Seymour_Bears

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:37 AM

Thanks for the info. I can live with an extra 10 minutes.

#5 OFFLINE   dtorres

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:54 AM

On the up side those same Escape owners said that the engine compartment was staying much cleaner over time as a result of the underbody shield.

#6 OFFLINE   JayCo59

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:13 PM

Just performed an oil change @1400 miles using Mobil 1 5W-20.
The oil was an ugly greenish brown, looked pretty bad, but color isn't everything, still glad I did it. I like to do the first oil change at about 1000 to 1500 mles just to get any "Break-in" wear out of the crankcase.
Notes of interest:
15mm Plug.
8 - Torx screws (pretty large head) on shield - 5 minutes to removel, no big deal. See image 1.
Tight fit on the plug, use a short 15mm 3/8" ratchet or an open-end wrench. Interference with a bracket of some kind.

Shield:
Engine Shield


Plug interference:
Oil Plug Bracket


P.S. The Engine compartment was very clean thanks to the cover!

Edited by JayCo59, 25 November 2012 - 10:46 PM.

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#7 OFFLINE   robodog61

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:14 AM

Hello, what is the recommended oil change interval? Should it be changed at the first 1,000 miles? I also intend to do myself and am not looking forward to removing the shield. How hard is it to get the filter off and where is it located? Thanks

#8 OFFLINE   Arthur

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 06:33 PM

Please forgive me if this is a duplicate reply, My first post, and the one I just made seem to go in to cyber space.

 

Changing the oil with a pan cover is difficult when you don't have much room, as with my last auto, I changed my base plug to a valve, and made it much easier, if you can cut  an opening in the engine cover, just large enough to get to a valve you could use one, they can be found at:  http://www.quickoildrainvalve.com   Then make a cover to slide or turn over the hole when done. Another trick I used was a vacuum cleaner taped to the oil filler hole, when you remove the plug to change it,  the oil will not run out.

 

 


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#9 OFFLINE   Seymour_Bears

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:53 PM

Jay - Your info and pictures are very helpful.  I assume the cover is relatively light, and easy to get back into place?

 

Robodog - I haven't found anything that says you need to drain the original oil early on, but there are some who believe this is a wise thing to do.  From what I recall reading about the oil change intervals (I'm working overseas now, and can't reference the owner's manual), there is an oil life monitor which will tell you when the time to change is approaching.  The oil life monitors in my Corvette and Escape actually are monitors - they can be accessed any time to tell how much oil life is remaining.  I don't think that is the case with the C-Max.  And from what I can see of the filter, with the cover in place, is that it should be easy to get at once the cover is removed. 



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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:54 PM

Wow, I was amazed at the oil drain valve.  I change oil on 4 cars and didn't realize that such a simple solution was available.  What size do you order for the C-max?  I can't see it on the website.  Is it a recessed drain plug or not?  I'd rather not pull off the cover just to find out.  Did you already install for the C-max?  I also found a 10% off coupon code.  Thanks



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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

I am getting frustrated with the lack of information in the manual.  I mean, a 500 page manual and no mention of how to change the oil?  The capacity section says 4.5 quarts.  I assume that is the oil change with filter.  I took the cover off.  It was easy and the plug (I think it is the oil drain plug) does not appear to be recessed.  It is also odd to see that they recommend only Ford oil, but yet say using non synthetic is OK.  I intend to use 100% synthetic, but not Ford brand.  One last question:  is the oil life monitor a real monitor, or does it just count miles driven?  The Ford website says a 7500 mile oil change frequency, but the book says no more than 10,000 miles.  I will ask on the Ford website.  Thanks for any and all information.  Maybe they just expect you go give up and go to the dealer for oil changes, but I want to do it myself.  



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:12 AM

No surprise the owners manual doesn't mention how to change the oil - if the oil life monitor is like it used to be it is dumb (only counts miles driven) also the 7500 mile change frequency is for gas only models, 10,000 miles for hybrids 



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:53 AM

No surprise the owners manual doesn't mention how to change the oil - if the oil life monitor is like it used to be it is dumb (only counts miles driven) also the 7500 mile change frequency is for gas only models, 10,000 miles for hybrids 


I agree, the manual is sorely lacking basic info for people who do the basic maintenance themselves. Ford neglected to even provide a diagram of the jacking points (there is another thread on that). Hopefully there will be a third party service manual for the C-max soon.
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#14 OFFLINE   JayCo59

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:01 AM

I assume the cover is relatively light, and easy to get back into place?

5 minutes to remove - 8 torx.  Cover is very light material easily removed and replaced.  You will need to have the car up on ramps so you can get under there and have a bit of room to move about.  Oil flter is very obvious after the cover is removed.  As I had mentioned the only issue was a bit of interference between a metal bracket

 and the oil pan drain bolt, need to use a short ratchet.



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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:06 AM

Please forgive me if this is a duplicate reply, My first post, and the one I just made seem to go in to cyber space.

 

Changing the oil with a pan cover is difficult when you don't have much room, as with my last auto, I changed my base plug to a valve, and made it much easier, if you can cut  an opening in the engine cover, just large enough to get to a valve you could use one, they can be found at:  http://www.quickoildrainvalve.com   Then make a cover to slide or turn over the hole when done. Another trick I used was a vacuum cleaner taped to the oil filler hole, when you remove the plug to change it,  the oil will not run out.

This may not work well for our cars.  As I have mentioned there is only about 2 inches max of free space between where the drain bolt is located and a large metal beam.  This valve might just fit but it may be impossible to mount it and actually use it.  I'm just giving you a warning from what I saw during my oil change experience and what I saw on this website.



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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:15 AM

No surprise the owners manual doesn't mention how to change the oil - if the oil life monitor is like it used to be it is dumb (only counts miles driven) also the 7500 mile change frequency is for gas only models, 10,000 miles for hybrids 

My dealer stuck an oil change reminder on my car window that said 5000 miles, I read in the manual 10,000 miles.  I'm a fan of an early first oil change but I'm sure there are many points of view on that topic.  Personally I'll probably do once a year oil changes (after the inital 1400 mile change) which for me will be about 10,000 miles using Mobil 1 Synthetic and a high quality oil filter.


Edited by JayCo59, 06 December 2012 - 01:17 AM.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 12:42 AM

I e-mailed Ford about my oil change question.  The first one was by someone who didn't even bother to read my questions and just told me to read the manual.  The second one answered some of my questions.  They said refer to the dealer.  I wonder if dealers have started working on them yet. The second e-mail says that there is an oil life monitor and that the normal frequency for oil change is 10,000 miles and that the oil capacity for change is 4.5 quarts



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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:25 PM

According to the C-Max brochure (you can see it here), on the "C-Max Standard Features" page, under "Mechanical", it claims to be an "Intelligent Oil-Life Monitor ®".  What I would like to see is how much oil life is left, according to the computer.  My 2005 GMC Truck does this, and I like knowing that I'm at 5% oil life before heading out on a trip or something.



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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:11 AM

I found on the Ford website the the oil quality monitor is not really a sensor, but a computer algorithm that calculates when to change oil based on driving conditions:

 

The IOLM does not use oil quality sensors – it is entirely software-based and uses actual engine operating conditions to calculate the oil change interval by using an algorithm. This means the system must be reset after an oil change. Not doing so will result in a premature OIL CHANGE REQUIRED message.



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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:13 AM

I still am confused as to whether the interval is 10,000 or 7500 miles.






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