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#21 OFFLINE   joe

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:58 PM

A long time ago, I visited a cousin in Canada.  We sat outside an ice cream place in Gananoque, CA.  I noticed this long procession of cars with their lights on.  I remarked to my cousin that who ever died, they had a lot of friends because it was the longest funeral procession I had ever seen.  He laughed as he informed me of Canadian's regulation for cars to have automatic daytime running lights.


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#22 OFFLINE   RachelnLa

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:38 PM

Funny! Lots of cars use that in the south. We put the flashers on when in procession.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:01 PM

Hybrid dude,  I would also like automatic driving lights, and I think your idea for a piece of tape is the way to go.  I wish it would only be the fog lights that came on for daylight.



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:59 PM

As an experiment, I put three layers of blue painter's tape over the autolamps sensor, which is the squarish thing in the center of the dashboard very close to the base of the windshield and voila, lights on all the time. I'll most likely make some sort of better looking cover from a piece of whatever which I have around and if it's not matte black, paint it.

 

Arthur, don't get me started on fog lights (just kidding).

 

Your idea is interesting but not sure if you can get the electronics to function that way. The main reason I wouldn't do it, other than the wiring reason, is that the low beams are located higher on the vehicle itself, and are easier to see by oncoming vehicles, as well as and especially vehicles in front of you driving the same direction (can't think of a single word for them). Your vehicle will be more visible to the latter folks because when you are in traffic, for example, the closer you are to the vehicle in front of you, the less visible the fog lights will be in that person's rearview mirror, solely based on the height of the fog light.

 

On the other hand, Mercedes-Benz and some other brands now do have the DRLs, which are strips of LEDs, just about at the fog light level, so go figure. Even the C-Max in Europe has the strip just below the fog light. I think it's more for design than visibility but I have never done a conspicuity test.

 

BTW, joe, I love the funeral anecdote.



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:39 PM

As an experiment, I put three layers of blue painter's tape over the autolamps sensor, which is the squarish thing in the center of the dashboard very close to the base of the windshield and voila, lights on all the time. I'll most likely make some sort of better looking cover from a piece of whatever which I have around and if it's not matte black, paint it.

 

 

 

Won't that mess up the visibility of all the digital stuff inside the car?  Most vehicles I know adjust brightness / color schemes based on whether it is night or day.  When the headlights come on they usually change the brightness of the screens and often change the color scheme of the menus and navigation maps to make them more night-time friendly.

 

If you cover the sensor, they will think it is night time all the time and maybe be to dark and hard to read in sunlight.  Also - all of your internal "mood" lighting will stay on all the time.

 

 


Even the C-Max in Europe has the strip just below the fog light. I think it's more for design than visibility but I have never done a conspicuity test.

 

 

Up here in the pacific northwest, DRLs are really really helpful because we have MASSIVE trees all over the place.  Especially on bright sunny days, cars "dissapear" in the shadows and DRLs really help that.  I also ride motorcycles so I appreciate being able to see other cars...

 

The smaller LED versions on some of the fancier cars now still work well in this scenario.  It is just about not letting the car disappear in shadows I think.  If they are out in the sunlight, the lights don't make all that much differences.

Just my experience.  YMMV



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:39 PM

Good point about the instrument lighting consequences, if any. I'll check if there's a difference.

I'm totally in favor of using LEDs, as they appear as a more intense light, last longer and would save wear on low beam bulbs. I do think front-only DRLs, regardless of lamp type, are dangerous because there is no back or side illumination and creates a false sense of security ... I just don't get the rationale.



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:40 PM

I located some LED's that replace the 1156's .... have to think these over to see if the parking and turn signal lights can be improved and left on for Driving lights

 

http://www.superbrightleds.com/ 



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:17 PM

There's another topic in this category entitled:

LED brake lights

but it didn't work very well. Perhaps parking and turn signals would fare better?



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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:54 AM

Good point about the instrument lighting consequences, if any. I'll check if there's a difference.

I'm totally in favor of using LEDs, as they appear as a more intense light, last longer and would save wear on low beam bulbs. I do think front-only DRLs, regardless of lamp type, are dangerous because there is no back or side illumination and creates a false sense of security ... I just don't get the rationale.

You're correct, covering the autolamps sensor does affect the instrument lighting, specifically by making them dimmer, as it would be at night. It is still bright enough for me, so I'm going to stick with it and enjoy the visibility provided by having parking and low beams on all the time. BTW, I now have a black mitten covering the sensor. It does the job, doesn't reflect light to the windshield, doesn't slide around, can be easily removed and is useful in case I lose a mitten :-)



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Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:10 PM

I mentioned previously that the new Ford Escape has LED DRLs, just below the headlight. However, upon further inspection, it seems not all models of the Escape have this feature, as I've now seen several on the road without LEDs, just plain low beams.



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

So toss your ball cap over the light sensor on the dash - voila! Daytime running lights.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:29 PM

I just ordered a SEL, and on the bottom of the order sheet under "fleet orders", I saw DRL's. Wonder why there not available for the rest of us?



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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:50 PM

DRLs waste fuel, especially in electrified vehicles. Since Ford left out LEDs to save money I bet they left out DRLs to save fuel.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

Don't they care about us Canadians and our mileage?  I always drive with headlights on and don't count on the the DRL's--just so much safer having tail lights on in my opinion.   I am still waiting for someone to answer my email to Ford Canada about window sticker mileage ie. 4.0 city and 4.1 L per 100 kilometers highway.  It's been several weeks and no reply. I told them that I thought they had made a serious error putting those numbers on our window stickers.



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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:38 AM

DRLs with normal lights can suck as much as 1% of the fuel economy of a vehicle. The way around that is energy efficient LED lights, but those are more costly.

I think that Ford is trying to remain cost competitive within the hybrid/PHEV market so they have had to cut as many price corners as possible to save money to pay for the expensive R&D and electrical components.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:55 AM

I understand that the lights draw power and have other features that are less than ideal, but I feal that the safety that they add is worth the effort. I am surprised that the auto headlights don't come on in a light rain that will start the wipers. If the autowipers come on, the lights should also come on for five minutes or so.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

As I've posted previously, I'm a proponent of having all the lights on all the time for perspicuity reasons. For reduced power consumption and frequency of headlight bulb change reasons, among others, I'd ultimately prefer white front LED DRLs instead of my low beams but want to have lighting in the back as well. So, the last few posts led me to find perhaps a solution ... red LEDs for the rear, which appear (NPI) to be available online.

 

However, there probably are Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) which state how many rear lights can be illuminated at any one time, etc.

 

Here's a link to an interesting post on a BMW site, specifically post #13:

http://f10.m5post.co...ad.php?t=753445

 

Some BMWs have LED taillights, which can apparently be programmed to be active in conjuction with the front 'angel eye' or 'corona' DRLs prevalent those vehicles.

 

Having all these LED work in conjunction with our headlight switch / sensor might be quite a challenge, though.

 

Also, aftermarket Philips LED DRLs, among others, are available as an aftermarket accessory. Those lights dim to 50% when parking lights are illuminated, similar to the OEM ones on Mercedes-Benz vehicles.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:15 AM

Since this thread has been dead for months, I fear bringing it back to life again.  I have been a US Ford buyer for decades.  Having Friends and Family in Canada,I became accustomed to Daytime Running Lights an I too believed that they are a desirable safety feature.  Beginning with my 1994 US Spec Mustang Convertible, I purchased from Ford Parts a Genuine OEM Ford retrofit Daytime Running Light Module Kit  for about $60 and had the Ford Dealership splice it into the wiring system requiring about an hours labor charge.  The devise was made for Ford by Pacific Insight Corp located in British Columbia Canada.  I bought this Ford aftermarket kit for my 1998 Escort Wagon, my 2001 Focus Wagon, my 2004 Explorer SUV.  Late Model US Spec Vehicles I think beginning in or around 2006 have the DRL Module incorporated into the Vehicles Body Control Module.  I personally had my 2011 Ford Fiesta`s DRL enabled/activated in 10 minutes at a Ford Dealer using their IDS Programmer and the Cars "Smart Junction Box.  A couple of "Mouse Clicks" and the Parameter settings were changed!  Rumor has it beginning in 2013, Ford has eliminated this DRL activation for US Spec Vehicles which I have no proof yet that this in deed has happened.  Why Ford only allows Daytime Running Lights, a $45 Option Code # 942 for Fleet Only Purchase requiring a Valid "FIN" remains a mystery?  A Retail Buyer should be able to specify DRL`s, period!

PS:  I contacted Pacific Insight Corp and they explained that newer late Model Ford Vehicle cannot utilize their After-Market Kit any longer.



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 02:59 AM

in my previous VW 2004.5 Passat GLX, the forum modders had a way to add DRLs (or disable them and just use  front fogs in daytime) by switching out the rotary switch knob in the car to a European switch made by Skoda, which is the European affiliate for VW/Audi.

 

After you changed out the switch on the dash, you could pull a fuse in the fuse bix and then you would have DRLs.

 

Not sure if the same or similar can be done for the Max but i wouldn't be surprised.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:50 AM

I would like to mount LEDs in the foglight-delete panel on my SE model, and in fact, have already done a test fitting. I think they look great so far. What I need to do now is find an accessory wire under the hood which is live whenever the car is on. I plan on drawing power for my LEDs from that wire (since these LEDs, like all LEDs, consume an absolutely tiny amount of power, so there's no problem piggy-backing them off something else, anything else). I also plan on wiring in a relay so that whenever the headlights are on, my LEDs are off. That part is simple. Really, the hardest part, is finding a wire that's live only when the car is on. I'm not sure which to use. I could run my own wire, I suppose, from the battery (the 12v, of course) to the cabin, and then put in a switch, but it'd be great to avoid that step, if anyone knows how. Any ideas? Thanks!








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