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#21 OFFLINE   stevedebi

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 04:56 PM

Don't be ridiculous.  Even if the seat was the wrong shape, the worst that would happen is the airbag inflates and breaks the side window.  Or you just don't worry about wiring it in when you install the seat.

Well, how about this to consider. If the insurance company finds out you had a non-standard seat installed, they may refuse your claim, or not cover part of the repair or personal injury. You could sue them, but the case would not be strong. There are some things I don't mess around with, one of which is the safety systems. I consider the seat, with its custom design for the car, and airbag configuration (especially when they are in the seat itself) and even how the seat belt fits, to be a critical safety system.

 

At a very basic level, to me it isn't worth risking any potential injury, regardless of how small the risk appears to the eye. Ford carefully designs the entire system as a whole, and crash testing is done on only that configuration.

 

I agree it could probably work. But I would not wire up those airbags - and the car most likely will post an airbag alarm if you don't, or perhaps it senses certain characteristics of the airbags. I don't know. But I personally would not risk it.


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#22 OFFLINE   markd

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Posted 05 September 2016 - 06:23 PM

My wife has a pillow that she takes on trips for her feet. I have a question, why would you buy a car if you don't like the seats?

#23 OFFLINE   jackalopetx

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 08:29 AM

My wife has a pillow that she takes on trips for her feet. I have a question, why would you buy a car if you don't like the seats?

 

There's no other car that gets 40mpg and costs $20k and is quiet on the highway


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#24 OFFLINE   markd

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 12:29 PM

Like John Prine sings in "Dear Abby" "you have no complaint".

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 12:33 PM

Well, how about this to consider. If the insurance company finds out you had a non-standard seat installed, they may refuse your claim, or not cover part of the repair or personal injury. You could sue them, but the case would not be strong. There are some things I don't mess around with, one of which is the safety systems. I consider the seat, with its custom design for the car, and airbag configuration (especially when they are in the seat itself) and even how the seat belt fits, to be a critical safety system.

 

At a very basic level, to me it isn't worth risking any potential injury, regardless of how small the risk appears to the eye. Ford carefully designs the entire system as a whole, and crash testing is done on only that configuration.

 

I agree it could probably work. But I would not wire up those airbags - and the car most likely will post an airbag alarm if you don't, or perhaps it senses certain characteristics of the airbags. I don't know. But I personally would not risk it.

 

Fair enough.  But there's not a one-size-fits-all philosophy when it comes to these things.  For years I drove a VW van with no airbags where my head was about a foot from the windshield.  I know people who would probably refuse to ride as a passenger, let alone own one of these vehicles.  But it was a hell of a lot of fun.

 

We imprison ourselves with excessive attention to rules and risk, in my opinion.  And we coddle ourselves with a false sense of security.  You think a stupid internet camera on your door gives real protection against burglers?   If they want to get into your house, they will.  It takes a kick to get through the inch of wood that's holding your deadbolt in.



#26 OFFLINE   markd

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 12:47 PM

I had a 1969 westie! I must have caught 70 Dead shows in that thing!

#27 OFFLINE   stevedebi

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 01:44 PM

Just a note. The 2017 C-Max Energi apparently is going to have the capability of passenger electric seats, along with a few other changes.



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Posted 06 September 2016 - 06:46 PM

All cars should have better seats.  Its a "crime" that a little more money isn't put into the seats - and that they are so specifically shaped that only the "perfect" body can ever be truly comfortable.  Very few if any "adjustments" actually change the shape.  Back in the '50s we had big comfy seats made with coil springs!  Why?  They adjust to any shape automatically, just like your mattress!  Ever see a mattress made like a car seat - all perfectly contoured to fit the "perfect" body?  Neither have I.  (Seats have been stuck in the "bucket seat" craze of the '60s for decades now - and they're about as comfy as a bucket!)

I thought the SEL seats where more comfortable but didn't want to spend $3k more for other stuff we didn't want.  Noise and ride are important but seat comfort is tops.  Before settling on the C-Max I sat in a competing car for about 30 seconds and my back started to hurt!  I just moved on.  Car makers should put the best seats possible in a car or at least have them as an independent option.


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#29 OFFLINE   jackalopetx

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 10:11 AM

Don't be ridiculous.  Even if the seat was the wrong shape, the worst that would happen is the airbag inflates and breaks the side window.  Or you just don't worry about wiring it in when you install the seat.

 

Or the shape of the car could cause the airbag to smash your head, or the shape of the airbag allows your head to collide with the A pillar. There's a reason they're specifically designed for each vehicle. Read through the IIHS crash testing reports and you'll see how precisely these things are tailored

 

Not having side airbags is a bad decision. Side impacts are very likely to be deadly without an airbag


Edited by jackalopetx, 07 September 2016 - 10:12 AM.


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Posted 07 September 2016 - 02:35 PM

I think you're getting carried away.  The original poster wanted to put in an identical or similar ford seat in the passenger seat.  Not a gigantic seat from a semi-truck. 

It is the junkyard scrounging modifier who needs to ask himself if he can live without a side airbag.  My '66 Volvo has no airbags anywhere and I"m happy to drive around risking side impacts without losing too much sleep.

 

None of the rat rod/custom car/mod hot rod scene would exist without a certain laissez-faire disregard for conservative values.  Please enjoy these values in your own life, but don't impose them on others. 



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Posted 07 September 2016 - 03:01 PM

I think you're getting carried away.  The original poster wanted to put in an identical or similar ford seat in the passenger seat.  Not a gigantic seat from a semi-truck. 

It is the junkyard scrounging modifier who needs to ask himself if he can live without a side airbag.  My '66 Volvo has no airbags anywhere and I"m happy to drive around risking side impacts without losing too much sleep.

 

None of the rat rod/custom car/mod hot rod scene would exist without a certain laissez-faire disregard for conservative values.  Please enjoy these values in your own life, but don't impose them on others

 

You misunderstood my post. The shape of the AIRBAG is different and that's why it's dangerous to swap. The airbag is shaped specifically for the car. 

 

You can drive whatever vehicle you want, your risk of death is much higher without side airbags. Your Volvo is probably 100x as likely to kill you because not only does it have no airbags, it also has no side impact protection, virtually no rollover protection, and no crumple zones. I work in law enforcement, specifically in highway safety analysis, and my professional opinion is that it's stupid to make your car MORE dangerous


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#32 OFFLINE   jackalopetx

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 01:30 PM

I may trade my C-Max for an F-150. They have great seats 



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Posted 20 September 2016 - 02:10 PM

I may trade my C-Max for an F-150. They have great seats 

I have a New F150 XLT 4X4 , 2.7 ECOBoost with two electric cloth seats up front and I don't think they are as comfortable as my CMAX SEL(302 pkg)  seats. IMO  I'm 5'10" and 170lbs  and generally I like cloth seats better than leather. :)

 

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Posted 11 October 2016 - 03:45 PM

I recently traded my 2013 SE for a 2014 SEL, and the seats are much, much more comfortable! I loved my base SE, but between the lousy audio and no navigation, I decided to trade up. I'm delighted and didn't realize that the seats would be so much better. I use to have a pillow, now I just jump in and drive. Huge difference for me. Will have to update my profile picture tonight. 


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Posted 12 December 2016 - 03:49 PM

CAR SEATS Any good chiropractor will tell you that sitting in a car seat your butt and knee should be the same level or your butt a little higher to avoid back pain -Sciatica inflammation.  Once inflamed it is very difficult to sit in a back pitched car seat for long periods of time.  Pitched seats can also irritate the Piriformis muscle that runs from your lower back through your butt and to your leg. I had to sell my Prius as the seat was pitched back with no adjustments and there was no way my butt and knee were on the same level. I'm tall and the C Max was the only seat that allowed adjustment to sit with my butt and knee level. 

 
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Posted 24 January 2017 - 02:19 AM

The seats in my 2013  SE are pretty rough... wife was trying all sorts of pillows, supports, etc.   We finally broke down and got  Wet Okole covers with lumbar and seat heaters... it has solved all the comfort issues.  I was also considering what CBHarvest did... and go looking for a 14 SEL. 


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