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Experience with Pirelli P4 Tires


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#1 OFFLINE   LeoNicholson

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 07:52 PM

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Pirelli P4 Four Seasons Plus - 225/50R17 94V Tire

Will need to replace my original tires in the near future.

My driving is 90% local, at 40-45 mph and doesn't justify the price for OEM Michelins.


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Posted 27 July 2018 - 09:17 AM

It does if the OEM tires last longer, I'm at 76K mi now and expect to get 80k mi.  They are warrantied for 55K mi.  Tire Rack has these reviews for Pirelli P4 :  https://www.tirerack...tirePageLocQty=

I don't know how much you are going to loss in MPG's, but Michelins are the best for MPG's. :)

 

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 02:11 PM

At Sam's, (with Aug 4th free mounting special) the cost is $840 for the Michelins vs $410 for the Pirellis.

It is tempting.



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Posted 28 July 2018 - 04:39 PM

At Sam's, (with Aug 4th free mounting special) the cost is $840 for the Michelins vs $410 for the Pirellis.

It is tempting.

I wonder if anyone has tried them on a Hybrid to see how much of a drop in MPG's they got. :headscratch: It would be nice if someone would do a current updated test of LRR tires.

 

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Posted 28 July 2018 - 05:38 PM

I wonder if anyone has tried them on a Hybrid to see how much of a drop in MPG's they got. :headscratch: It would be nice if someone would do a current updated test of LRR tires.

 

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I know.  It gets very "iffy" when you hunt data about real mpg results.  Every manufacturer claims a lot, but it is hard to find any real world comparison data.

Many reviews taut the LRR efficiency of the Pirellis, but it seems mostly speculation.  Most state that the Michelins are the best, but fail to mention how much better than other brands.   A price difference of $430 would offset a lot of lost mpg miles.


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Posted 29 July 2018 - 05:42 PM

I'd spend the $$ on Michelins. Somebody at Discount Tire talked me into Pirellis. They were awful. I had them take them off and put Michelins on after 3 days (fortunately they have a good return policy). I couldn't get those Pirellis off fast enough.

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Posted 29 July 2018 - 08:13 PM

I'd spend the $$ on Michelins. Somebody at Discount Tire talked me into Pirellis. They were awful. I had them take them off and put Michelins on after 3 days (fortunately they have a good return policy). I couldn't get those Pirellis off fast enough.

Awful in what respect?   

 

IMO, Michelin Energy Savers are "awful" in the rain, far from the best in overall handling, and overpriced (they win this category). :)  They do get the best FE based on tirerack's comparisons and on my experience though.  But FE isn't everything (to me). ;)  

 

OP, even though the P4s would generally be used locally at lower speeds, I'd still compare their performance ratings with other potential substitutes for the Michelins.  $430 Is a significant savings but stopping 20 feet shorter or better emergency handling could be worth a lot more than $430.  



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Posted 30 July 2018 - 08:41 AM

I'd spend the $$ on Michelins. Somebody at Discount Tire talked me into Pirellis. They were awful. I had them take them off and put Michelins on after 3 days (fortunately they have a good return policy). I couldn't get those Pirellis off fast enough.

Which Pirelli's model did you have on your car?

 

Awful in what respect?   

 

IMO, Michelin Energy Savers are "awful" in the rain, far from the best in overall handling, and overpriced (they win this category). :)  They do get the best FE based on tirerack's comparisons and on my experience though.  But FE isn't everything (to me). ;)  

 

OP, even though the P4s would generally be used locally at lower speeds, I'd still compare their performance ratings with other potential substitutes for the Michelins.  $430 Is a significant savings but stopping 20 feet shorter or better emergency handling could be worth a lot more than $430.  

What tire pressure are you using in your Michelin tires? I find the Michelin's work better at 50 psi. and I have 76k on mine now, see pic.Attached File  TTread.JPG   158.09KB   0 downloads

There is about 1/32 difference between inside with the least and outside with the most. The center is in between and the handling is better than 38 psi. and tires don't squeal going around sharp corners.   My experience is the inside wears faster because of factory alignment settings. :)

 

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 09:27 AM

Awful in what respect?   

 

IMO, Michelin Energy Savers are "awful" in the rain, ...

I've been looking at tires and reviews since Goodyear introduced the "Wingfoot," now known as the Eagle GT.

 

I have never seen a tire test SO BADLY in wet conditions as the P4 Four Seasons Plus. Wet stopping distances are 30 ft. greater than the other tires, while cornering force is 20% less and lap times 4 seconds slower. 

https://www.tirerack...ay.jsp?ttid=228

 

Yet they have received some very good subjective ratings. 

https://www.tirerack...rue&type=ST&VT=

 

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 04:34 PM

OP, take a look at the ratings for the General Altimax RT43.  Use the second link in fbov's post above and select Grand Touring all season. These are the tires I have on now.  IMO, best performance for the $.  In Aug. 2017, I paid $488 out the door excluding state sales tax (no rebate at the time but I have seen $60 rebate since) at local Goodyear tire shop.  My Altimax tires get 5-6% worse FE than the original Energy Savers.

 

TireRack Tests: July 14, 2017 https://www.tirerack...ay.jsp?ttid=227

Tires Tested General AltiMAX RT43 (H- or V-Speed Rated) (Grand Touring All-Season 215/60R16 95H)
  • What We Liked: A standout performer in the wet and on the road.
  • What We'd Improve: Creates some tread growl and has the firmest ride of this group.
  • Conclusion: More than just a good value, a good tire.

Edited by Plus 3 Golfer, 31 July 2018 - 08:06 AM.

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 11:12 PM

+1 on above suggestion regarding General Altimax RT43 tires. I installed 4 last November and really like the reduced noise and increased ride comfort. It also handles real well (including snow). I have noticed a slight drop in MPG's going from OEM Michelin to the General Altimax RT43, but for me the ride comfort and handling is worth it.


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 09:52 AM

+1 on above suggestion regarding General Altimax RT43 tires. I installed 4 last November and really like the reduced noise and increased ride comfort. It also handles real well (including snow). I have noticed a slight drop in MPG's going from OEM Michelin to the General Altimax RT43, but for me the ride comfort and handling is worth it.

 

I bought two General Altimax RT43 tires to replace the noisy 5 year old OEM ones in the back.  I was pleasantly surprised they were made in the United States, though General is owned by a German company, Aerojet Rocketdyne Holdings.   I got the heavier load version of the tire and it seems like a real solid tire. Thanks to Plus 3 Golfer for the researching of it some months ago.



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Posted 31 July 2018 - 07:22 PM

Well, I was skeptical about TireRack's 3 very good reviews of the Altimax RT43 tires and especially the consumer reviews as how could a tire that cost so little be rated so high. But I pulled the trigger almost a year ago and couldn't be more pleased.  I also got the heavier load version.  I'm running 50 psi and don't get the hard jolts when hitting uneven pavement that I would get in the Energy Saver at 50psi.  I'd thus run around 46 in the Michelins.

 

I just came back from a 390 mile round trip to Flagstaff - 382 miles on I10 and I17.   I have good historical FE data for that trip.  The RT43s FE were 4% worse than the Michelin Energy Savers.


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Posted 01 August 2018 - 09:22 AM

4% would be about 2 mpg or about what the wheel covers improve my mpg. :)

 

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Posted 03 August 2018 - 06:39 PM

In poking through the old paperwork it looks like the Pirellis I had on were Cinturato. I just drove through torrential rain this week with the Michelin Energy Savers with no problem, I think someone said they weren't good in the rain but I haven't had an issue. I love these tires.

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 12:19 AM

I dont use the energy savers.. The price of them is ridiculous theyre almost twice as much (theyre also hard to find). In the city still get 42-50 mpg in summer. I bought new pirelli ice for winter (great deal) and theyre on 16 inch steel rims.. Hope they work out.

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 03:00 PM

I think you are missing the point, The Michelin's are cheaper on the long run when you add in gas savings and lasting longer, I have 79k miles on mine so far. Some people didn't have very nice things to say about P4's. 

 

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Posted 22 August 2018 - 02:06 PM

... I bought new pirelli ice for winter ...

I'd be curious what you see when swapping summer tires. My Michelin X-Ice 3 snows had zero impact on mileage. Cold weather still did it's thing, but I saw no difference in mileage over the tire change. In your case there may see a slight improvement... that disappears as it gets colder.

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