How Many Miles did You get out of Your Michelin Energy Saver Tires

[ArizonaEnergi]

Snow?  I seem to remember that in my distant past!  Thanks for the information.  They'll be installed Monday and I'll report back on any perceived benefit.

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On 1/1/2020 at 1:33 PM, fbov said:

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And I'm still recommending Michelin's CrossClimate+, which got my interest due to 3PMS rating, but which also seem to be one heck of a tire in all conditions!!

 

Have fun,

Frank

Frank, any update on the CrossClimate+?  I really like the reviews but am somewhat concerned about the siping feathering and creating noise. Any abnormal wear?  especially since they are directional tires.  Thanks
 

Discount tires has them for $144 + fees, installation and tax.  In addition, Ford Quick Lane should match price and  they have a special Memorial Day Saving of $30, Michelin rebate of $70, and $80 Ford credit card rebate = $180.   This savings and price  may be to good to pass up given the following paragraph.
 

Although I don’t need tires immediately due to tread wear (good for at least 5 k), one tire has leaked twice at a patch repair.  Last summer as a result of 15 new home constructions,  we got 3 screws in 2 tire too near sidewall to be repaired with inside patch.   I patched with the string kits and have driven about 12 k miles including cross county since.  However, last Dec. one of the plugs began to leak and I repluged. Then about a month ago it began leaking again, so I double plugged.  So, given the prices above and potential leaking, I believe it’s time to replace all four.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Plus 3 Golfer

[fbov]

The only wear abnormality is the rate. They're running flat across the tread - no feathering - but tread wear does not compare favorably with Michelin's Energy Savers, or X-Ice snows. The green dot is where the CrossClimate fell, 16.5K miles, 4.6mm depth. I will only expect 30K. 

 

That said, the wife's kept her Sonata Hybrid out of the ditch for two winters and the car's a ball to drive, dry, wet or snow!

 

The first point is not a dig at my wife, but rather environmental commentary. Rochester won the nation's "snow derby" this winter. No city of 100K got more snow than we did. It was an average year (8'). She does a lot of snow driving (the Lakes give us 1"/day, or feet/hour in squalls, rather than big storms) and didn't miss snow tires. She's not bashful. 

 

The second point gets to the tire's trade-off: great grip is easy if you use softer tread compounds. These things will run circles around Energy Savers in the dry, and the comparison only worsens as the conditions degrade.   

 

If you drive on fresh snow often, these are a great option. If you go anywhere that requires 3PMS-logo tires, these are a great option. If you carry snow chains... you get the picture. I expect many summer tires can give a better performance-life value proposition if 3PMS is off the table. 

 

You ski? I wouldn't buy them for nail resistance...

 

Stay well,

Frank

 

PS no obvious mileage hit, either, so low RR, too?

Edited May 28, 2020 by fbov

[Lacienega]

I got 100k. I knew I needed new tires but didn't know some of the steel belt was showing already on the inside threads ?. No wonder these Michelin tires are so expensive...they're sure worth the money.

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On 5/28/2020 at 8:18 AM, fbov said:

The only wear abnormality is the rate. They're running flat across the tread - no feathering - but tread wear does not compare favorably with Michelin's Energy Savers, or X-Ice snows. The green dot is where the CrossClimate fell, 16.5K miles, 4.6mm depth. I will only expect 30K. 

 

That said, the wife's kept her Sonata Hybrid out of the ditch for two winters and the car's a ball to drive, dry, wet or snow!

 

The first point is not a dig at my wife, but rather environmental commentary. Rochester won the nation's "snow derby" this winter. No city of 100K got more snow than we did. It was an average year (8'). She does a lot of snow driving (the Lakes give us 1"/day, or feet/hour in squalls, rather than big storms) and didn't miss snow tires. She's not bashful. 

 

The second point gets to the tire's trade-off: great grip is easy if you use softer tread compounds. These things will run circles around Energy Savers in the dry, and the comparison only worsens as the conditions degrade.   

 

If you drive on fresh snow often, these are a great option. If you go anywhere that requires 3PMS-logo tires, these are a great option. If you carry snow chains... you get the picture. I expect many summer tires can give a better performance-life value proposition if 3PMS is off the table. 

 

You ski? I wouldn't buy them for nail resistance...

 

Stay well,

Frank

 

PS no obvious mileage hit, either, so low RR, too?

Thanks.  Yes,  some reviewers indicated they have seen more tire wear than they expected.  Although the price is right with Quick Lane honoring Discount Tire price and the Michelin Rebate, Ford Memorial Day discount, and the Ford new credit card discount totaling $180, I’m going to pass as I doubt i would get 40 k out of them, probably around 30k miles.  Drawing a line from 7.14 mm through the  green dot would likely reach zero at just over 40 k miles for the CrossClimate.  I always buy tires before reaching the 2 mm limit.   I will probably buy the AltiMax rt43 again as price wise they are about the same as the CrossClimate but with a lesser General Tire rebate and 5% discount with Discount Tire credit card.  Also my tread wear on my OE Michelin E/S tracks your blue line very well.
 

I haven’t skied since 1980 but I do drive to Flagstaff to visit son and also  back to the Pittsburgh area in the winter time period but can adjust the driving days to miss bad weather.  So, don’t really need them for snow.  I have yet to find a tire that “resists” screws.  It seems they easily “screw” into all tires.  

Edited May 29, 2020 by Plus 3 Golfer

[fbov]

5 hours ago, Plus 3 Golfer said:

... I have yet to find a tire that “resists” screws. ...

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?filtering=true&width=225%2F&ratio=50&diameter=17&autoMake=Ford&autoYear=2013&autoModel=C-MAX Hybrid&autoModClar=SEL&sortCode=49700&tireIndex=0#allTitle

 

30 run-flat tires in the OEM size... OK, lots are duplicate tires, but still... Pirelli and Continental are the price leaders, so screw resistance isn't cheap!

 

Stay well,

Frank

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2 hours ago, fbov said:

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?filtering=true&width=225%2F&ratio=50&diameter=17&autoMake=Ford&autoYear=2013&autoModel=C-MAX Hybrid&autoModClar=SEL&sortCode=49700&tireIndex=0#allTitle

 

30 run-flat tires in the OEM size... OK, lots are duplicate tires, but still... Pirelli and Continental are the price leaders, so screw resistance isn't cheap!

 

Stay well,

Frank

One still needs to plug RFTs after removing screw.  So, the benefit apparently of an RFT is that you can still drive on it and thus no need to carry spare, patch kit, jack, wrench in car and one Is “safer” (I guess blow out proof).   But, I have always been able to “catch” a screw in tire by monitoring tire pressure well before the modern TPMS  provides a low tire pressure warning.  There was only one time in 1979 when an RFT would have been a benefit: when I hit a pothole in our Accord, bent the rim, and lost all pressure in about 5 seconds at about 35-40 mph.  I put the spare on in the rain with the light of a streetlight maybe 150 feet away.

 

I agree they are expensive to me as “insurance” for an unlikely event (one time need in over 55 years of driving/vehicle ownership):  assume 40 tire replacements (conservative estimate) on 1,500,000 family driven miles, and an inflation adjusted cost of current cost difference of around $150 a set.  So, that would be $6000 current value so I wouldn’t have had to change tire in rain in 1979.?  So, the likelihood of it happening again for me might be 6.7 % chance per 100k miles driven.  So, the “insurance” cost might be $400 per 100k miles - actually not very much given RFTs could save your life.!  I forgot there’s likely a FE hit also which would to the cost.

[ptjones]

No free lunch.  It matters what your priorities are. I'm still happy with the Michelin's and getting up to 90k miles. Wish they had Michelin's to fit the FEHP.

 

Paul

[fbov]

14 hours ago, ptjones said:

... Wish they had Michelin's to fit the FEHP.

They do! OK, not the beloved ES/AS, but that's a very old design.

 

Conversely, you'll have to find a shortcoming in the Bridgestones first. LRR is LRR, with little difference among top tire lines. I keep trying to exceed their traction limits, to see how they behave. Heavy rain yesterday, so I tried to break wet cornering. These tires don't let go, they just keep giving you a little more.... Wholly unexpected given Tire Rack reviews; the trade-off will be tire life, I expect. TANSTAAFL.

 

20 hours ago, Plus 3 Golfer said:

I agree they are expensive to me as “insurance” for an unlikely event ...

Thank you for reminding me that I'm not as analytical as I think I am... your loss/benefit analysis is brilliant!

 

And RFT don't work without a wheel. If you trash the rim, all bets are off. Same as my sidewall rupture; nothing "runs flat" with a 2" gash in the sidewall. Plus, I understand that RFT need special mounting equipment to deform the bead over the rim without damaging alloy wheels. 

 

Stay well,

Frank

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On 5/30/2020 at 8:37 AM, fbov said:

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And RFT don't work without a wheel. If you trash the rim, all bets are off. Same as my sidewall rupture; nothing "runs flat" with a 2" gash in the sidewall. Plus, I understand that RFT need special mounting equipment to deform the bead over the rim without damaging alloy wheels. 

 

Stay well,

Frank

I never thought about that but given that the sidewall needs to be intact and in contact with rim, the advantage of RTFs diminish significantly for me and thus have virtually no value.  If one continually monitors tire pressure, one can easily detect a slight loss of pressure in one tire compared to the other tires and either look for issue (likely nail/screw in tire) or drive to many tire shops who will Check and patch for free. I’ll say it again: FORScan and an OBDII adapter is the best $30 investment one can make if all one does is use it to monitor tire pressure.

 

Some will say: but the TPMS will alert you for low tire pressure.  Yes it will, after tire pressure falls 25% below recommend which means PSI in a tire has to fall to about 28-29 psi in our C-Maxes.  One might get away with this on short, lower speed trips.  But, I don’t want to be driving around Phoenix freeways and interstates at 65 - 80 mph with one tire at 30 psi.  Overheating of under inflated tires can result in a tire blowout.  My son had a blowout on a Phoenix freeway several weeks after a girl friend told him one tire looks very low and his car had TPMS. Fortunately, he was able to pull off with no issues.

 

“The cause [of a blowout] in fact is most often in underinflation. Insufficient air pressure causes a tire to sag, flexing beyond the shape at which it can properly function to support a vehicle’s load. The tire will then overheat, and its rubber’s bond with the reinforcing layers will soften, weaken, and give.”

 

https://www.tireamerica.com/resource/what-is-a-tire-blowout

Edited May 31, 2020 by Plus 3 Golfer