Marc Smith

ok here is the cut/paste of a trip from DC to The villages in florida. data has been displayed in 10 minute incriments. in real time it sampled about every 5 seconds.... eco cruise set to around 65. no ac use.. no pulse glide. just driving like a normal ice trip started @ 3pm on wednesday and ended @ 1030 am on Thursday had a few breaks/naps/fuel GPS Time Ambient air temp(°F) Speed (OBD)(mph) trans temp(Deg) Engine Coolant Temperature(°F) Engine RPM(rpm) - 46 16 110 124 0 - 46 18 110 124 0 Wed Feb 25 15:41:53 EST 2015 46 21 110 124 0 Wed Feb 25 15:50:04 EST 2015 46 55 119 178 0 Wed Feb 25 16:00:33 EST 2015 46 64 133 196 1839 Wed Feb 25 16:10:03 EST 2015 48 66 141 199 0 Wed Feb 25 16:20:11 EST 2015 48 66 145 194 2454 Wed Feb 25 16:30:03 EST 2015 50 24 147 187 0 Wed Feb 25 16:40:03 EST 2015 52 35 149 181 2337 Wed Feb 25 16:50:03 EST 2015 52 23 152 181 1984 Wed Feb 25 17:00:03 EST 2015 48 66 154 196 0 Wed Feb 25 17:10:03 EST 2015 50 65 154 198 2045 Wed Feb 25 17:20:03 EST 2015 48 57 154 198 0 Wed Feb 25 17:30:03 EST 2015 48 66 154 196 1873 Wed Feb 25 17:40:03 EST 2015 50 66 155 198 1951 Wed Feb 25 17:50:02 EST 2015 48 65 155 196 2023 Wed Feb 25 18:00:08 EST 2015 46 65 152 187 0 Wed Feb 25 18:10:03 EST 2015 46 66 150 196 1875 Wed Feb 25 18:20:03 EST 2015 46 66 148 194 1922 Wed Feb 25 18:30:03 EST 2015 46 65 148 196 2151 Wed Feb 25 18:40:01 EST 2015 45 66 147 198 2042 Wed Feb 25 18:50:01 EST 2015 45 65 146 190 2303 Wed Feb 25 19:00:01 EST 2015 46 62 146 194 0 Wed Feb 25 19:10:01 EST 2015 45 65 147 194 2025 Wed Feb 25 19:20:01 EST 2015 45 65 146 194 2062 Wed Feb 25 19:30:03 EST 2015 45 65 148 199 2046 Wed Feb 25 19:40:03 EST 2015 43 65 147 196 2203 Wed Feb 25 19:50:03 EST 2015 43 65 146 189 2241 Wed Feb 25 20:00:03 EST 2015 43 65 145 194 2132 Wed Feb 25 20:10:03 EST 2015 41 65 144 190 2312 Wed Feb 25 20:20:03 EST 2015 39 56 142 196 0 Wed Feb 25 20:30:03 EST 2015 36 52 138 185 1874 Wed Feb 25 20:40:03 EST 2015 36 62 137 185 1990 Wed Feb 25 20:50:28 EST 2015 36 67 135 187 2044 Wed Feb 25 20:58:36 EST 2015 36 0 132 171 0 Wed Feb 25 21:43:10 EST 2015 36 0 116 126 0 Wed Feb 25 21:50:00 EST 2015 39 66 119 185 2141 Wed Feb 25 22:00:00 EST 2015 37 66 127 194 2142 Wed Feb 25 22:10:00 EST 2015 37 65 131 194 2139 Wed Feb 25 22:20:00 EST 2015 39 65 132 187 2217 Wed Feb 25 22:40:10 EST 2015 36 66 129 185 2213 Wed Feb 25 22:50:04 EST 2015 37 66 130 196 2304 Wed Feb 25 23:00:19 EST 2015 39 66 134 199 2353 Wed Feb 25 23:10:00 EST 2015 39 66 136 198 2424 Wed Feb 25 23:20:05 EST 2015 39 66 137 201 2146 Wed Feb 25 23:30:04 EST 2015 41 65 139 199 2017 Wed Feb 25 23:40:25 EST 2015 41 66 140 198 2112 Wed Feb 25 23:50:00 EST 2015 41 66 141 194 2256 Thu Feb 26 00:06:00 EST 2015 46 65 137 196 2988 Thu Feb 26 00:10:02 EST 2015 43 65 137 194 2528 Thu Feb 26 00:20:02 EST 2015 43 65 136 194 2134 Thu Feb 26 00:30:02 EST 2015 43 65 138 187 2427 Thu Feb 26 00:40:02 EST 2015 45 65 140 194 2160 Thu Feb 26 00:50:07 EST 2015 45 65 139 196 2310 Thu Feb 26 00:56:12 EST 2015 46 0 0 181 0 Thu Feb 26 04:50:50 EST 2015 66 0 80 118 1500 Thu Feb 26 05:00:00 EST 2015 41 66 104 187 900 Thu Feb 26 05:10:35 EST 2015 43 67 124 194 2076 Thu Feb 26 05:20:10 EST 2015 43 66 134 194 2015 Thu Feb 26 05:30:00 EST 2015 43 66 140 192 2264 Thu Feb 26 05:40:01 EST 2015 43 66 142 196 2081 Thu Feb 26 05:50:01 EST 2015 45 66 145 196 2054 Thu Feb 26 06:00:01 EST 2015 45 66 147 194 2107 Thu Feb 26 06:10:00 EST 2015 45 66 147 194 2241 Thu Feb 26 06:20:01 EST 2015 46 66 148 194 2066 Thu Feb 26 06:30:06 EST 2015 48 66 149 196 2017 Thu Feb 26 06:40:01 EST 2015 48 66 150 196 2070 Thu Feb 26 06:50:01 EST 2015 50 66 151 198 2087 Thu Feb 26 07:00:06 EST 2015 50 65 151 196 3009 Thu Feb 26 07:10:01 EST 2015 54 66 153 198 2069 Thu Feb 26 07:27:40 EST 2015 54 0 153 174 0 Thu Feb 26 07:30:00 EST 2015 54 0 153 167 0 Thu Feb 26 07:41:44 EST 2015 54 15 153 135 1494 Thu Feb 26 07:50:01 EST 2015 55 66 153 199 2181 Thu Feb 26 08:00:01 EST 2015 55 66 153 199 898 Thu Feb 26 08:10:01 EST 2015 57 62 153 192 2722 Thu Feb 26 08:20:01 EST 2015 57 65 153 199 2325 Thu Feb 26 08:30:02 EST 2015 57 54 153 196 0 Thu Feb 26 08:40:06 EST 2015 59 63 153 198 1946 Thu Feb 26 08:50:16 EST 2015 61 0 153 176 0 Thu Feb 26 09:00:01 EST 2015 63 65 153 196 1962 Thu Feb 26 09:10:01 EST 2015 61 16 153 194 0 Thu Feb 26 09:20:01 EST 2015 63 46 153 192 0 Thu Feb 26 09:30:00 EST 2015 63 48 153 180 2014 Thu Feb 26 09:40:00 EST 2015 64 65 153 199 2774 Thu Feb 26 09:50:00 EST 2015 66 0 153 190 0 Thu Feb 26 10:00:10 EST 2015 70 42 153 192 2362 Thu Feb 26 10:10:01 EST 2015 66 30 153 187 0 Thu Feb 26 10:20:01 EST 2015 70 52 153 196 1986 Thu Feb 26 10:27:15 EST 2015 70 0 153 172 0

according to my search wally world is on my list.... of course I just bought 5 qts on feb 25th... oh well. I'll buy two 5wt jugs...

Kelly, by 9 am yesterday I was 4 hours well north of The Villages I was surprised by how many I saw driving around The Villages...

SD, on the way down no AC once i was down there. bumping around I-4 and the bee line, the turnpike and I-75 I was using the AC It was in the mid 80's the entire time i was down there.. coming back home yesterday I left at 4:30 am in The villages, it was 56, so I did not on the way home.. Saw lots of Cmaxes in The villages (nearly half a dozen) and saw a few on the highways in florida...

Hey folks... just got done with a monster trip 12 hours one way to Orlando... started in Northern VA to orlando then Melbourne FL, then Orlando, then Naples, back to orlando and just got home today in Northern VA I was just running by myself. but I had 4 model boats, two golf bags, adult beverages, tools, table, chair, ez-up tent, clothes the car was full to the belt line both ways and in fact came back with more stuff than I left with... I could have carried a passenger but it would not have been comfortable. temps ranged from 30's to mid 80's 43 hours 7 minutes total drive time 2466.4 miles 39.6 mpg 295 EV miles 62.3 Gallons. thats an average speed of 57 mph. I set the eco cruise anywhere from 65-75 mph depending on conditions/traffic based on the gps indicated speed. no coasting/gliding, the occasional draft... but basically drove it like a normal ICE. there were a few around town(below 45) miles, but not many. Id venture to say maybe 200... for the duration of the trip I did log trans temp, coolant temp and ambient air temp, speed, rpm if anyone is interested I can email the files once I get them cleaned up I still can't get my pics deleted. I noticed with the ac OFF temps for the trans got up to around 180 and engine coolant around 208. butonce i put the AC on, both temps dropped, since the shutters were open... never saw any trans temps above 180. I'll clean up the data some. but if anyone wants the raw CSV files, shoot me an email mjs82 at georgetown dot edu and I'll send them should be 10K lines of data...

Hey folks... just got done with a monster trip started in Northern VA to Melbourne FL, then Orlando, then Naples, back to orlando and just got home today in Northern VA I was just running by myself. but I had 4 model boats, two golf bags, adult beverages, tools, clothes the car was full to the belt line both ways and in fact came back with more stuff than I left with... I could have carried a passenger but it would not have been comfortable. temps ranged from 30's to mid 80's 43 hours 7 minutes total drive time 2466.4 miles 39.6 mpg 295 EV miles 62.3 Gallons. thats an average speed of 57 mph. I set the eco cruise anywhere from 65-75 mph based on the gps indicated speed. no coasting/gliding, the occasional draft... but basically drove it like a normal ICE. there were a few around town(below 45) miles, but not many. Id venture to say maybe 200... not many overpasses to glide down to get many EV miles... if you subtract the Ev miles you end up with 2171 miles which would amount to an mpg of 35. not bad for a small car, but not stellar either. but I'm not complaining. for the duration of the trip I did log trans temp, coolant temp and ambient air temp, speed, rpm if anyone is interested I can email the files once I get them cleaned up

Well I left dc area around 4pm. And arrived at 10am. Encounters lots of rain and a few big flakes. But air temps never got below 35 I have the data from the 800 miles down. And I don't think I have any coolants temps over 200. Nor did I recall seeing any trans temps over 150 with air temps in upper 30's The cmax does not like hi way especially flat highway. Not bad 830 miles 20 gallons of gas. But for the first 700 miles I only had about 50 ev miles. The final 100 miles was 45-65 mph with some hills and traffic lights. I set the cruise at 65. And let it ride... I doing 200 miles tomorrow with air temps in the 60-70 range

...............well take 2 9 pages, data captured every 5 seconds trackLog-2015-Feb-25_06-23-02.pdf

stats from drive to work... seems I have reached my max allotment of files. so its in excel format which is smaller than a pdf.. I'll go back and start deleting pics form my gallery. so I can post data from my trip. my car is garaged at my house in the AM which is why the ambient temp starts high and drops all the way to work...

stats from drive to work... seems I have reached my max allotment of files. so its in excel format which is smaller than a pdf.. I'll go back and start deleting pics form my gallery. so I can post data from my trip. my car is garaged at my house in the AM which is why the ambient temp starts high and drops all the way to work...

i stand corrected on the weather. looks like I might be going 81 instead of 95... or departing this afternoon it seems that cant decid on whether there's going to rain or snow... dependingon who you listen too

I did check the i 95 corridor ..I'm in charge of setting up the snow crews at work...this time of year can be tricky... rocky mount... http://www.intellicast.com/Local/Weather.aspx?location=USNC0581 from richmond to savannah looks good. Wednesday looks questionable... Paul, I plan on doing grill covers, one day :) . I'm going to try to make them out of aluminum and tuck them in between the grill slots to retain the factory look of the front end. this time of year my ice is running more for the cabin heat than anything else on the short commute to work. The enrgi would have probably been the smarter choice if I could have found one used in the price range I was looking at I'm still getting 40-45 to/from work... I was looking on torque and I don't think I can tell it to capture data at a set time... so I can only imagine how many lines of data im going to get on my way to florida...

torque data logging works.... in my 30 minute drive home from work... it recorded data 4827 times...or 103 single spaced pages so now I need to figure out how much is too much. maybe every minute on a short trip?? and every ten minutes on a long trip? So I have pared down the data to once every 30 seconds if anyone wants the full data let me know. also give me ideas on what you want logged... I logged time, Ambient air temp, engine coolant, engine rpm, Speed, trans temp. in a nut shell.. low trans temp of 64 in a semi climate controlled garage at work with ambient air 62 by the time I got home trans temp 107, ambient air 32, engine temp 165. max speed of 47. total distance (one thing I did not capture) is about 15 miles. trackLog-2015-Feb-24_15-30-20.pdf

ok Well I got torque pro running now, on my wifes old android phone but its not recognizing any of the trans temp sensor data... so I am looking for a PID to get the data I need I think I found one on the ecoboost site. so I'll give it a go when I get home today.. I have an 800 mile trip from Dc to florida on thursday so I'll be able to log some serious data over a wide range of external temps at a fairly constant speed. if the PID works...

have there been any topics showing the problems using BT devices kicking the CEL the app did not work with the BT obd2 reader I have a line on an android device that I'm going to run. before i got my iphone I was using torque with no problems..

SLP I agree that the customer has the final say on who gets the job... yes if you feel comfortable doing the work yourself and are technically savy and mechanical inclined (something many of the new generations are not) you are much better off. Ie you can spot when you are getting jacked around. The newer generations have the mindset to do the research on a project, but don't have the basic skills to tackle the job. For a lot of the stuff we are talking about isn't not like you can get a free estimate. HVAC, plumbing, electricians and auto repair shops generally don't do free estimates. so as a consumer you should do your research before you call a contractor or take you car somewhere so you know what you are getting yourself into. As they Say... the more you know the better off you are. As a landscaper when I bid a job I know exactly what my overhead is... taxes, fuel, office space, insurance ect.. The problem with my industry is that there are no real barriers to entering the industry. Ie any joe with a mower and pickup can claim to be a landscaper. Yes I do get under bid by these guys and when a customer shows me the bid I'm not surprised. But I do get call backs to fix the work of the low bidders. Car repair, hvac, plumber, electricians all have a higher barrier to enter the workforce. specialized trianing, tools, licensing, ect. so they can generally justify their higher rates. Around here an electrican will charge you $100 for the first 1/2 hour on site (since this includes travel time from shop to your address) and then $100 per hour. Electrician generally earn $25-40 an hour take home pay. so from a business standpoint I'm loosing 25-40% of my my billing just to employee pay. I still have to pay for a service truck/van, fuel, insurance, truck needs to be stocked with many parts and tools, employees need to be kep tup to date on current codes(training) ect. Staff on call for 24hr coverage And yes Many consumers WILL pay that $100 an hour for that piece of mind...Otherwise these companies woudl not be in business. The average consumer does understand why some service fields do have such a high hourly rate they are not total idiots... One of my neighbors paid a plumber 100 bucks to install a new toilet... I was like "dude, a couple beers and thirty minutes and I could have installed it and shown you how to do it..." Some people would rather not mess around with it... I'm getting to a point in my life that I don't like cleaning gutters or painting rooms...so I pay someone...Different people have different thresholds of where they want to save money VS DIY As a landscaper I can bill out anywhere from 40-60 an hour...I just usually do flat rate pricing X job for $X Yes if the consumer is smart they can do the math and realize that I'm charging them $40 to cut their grass and I'm spending 15 minutes on site with three employees. its easy math. In the end it really comes down to two things.. knowledge and convenience. If you have the knowledge and the time then DIY is the way to go. If you don't have the knowledge or the time then you are going to pay for it...

spent the 5 bucks... for this http://www.ksolution.org/outdoor/enginelink.html when I get home I'll see if it works.. although if it does work, not sure what my commute numbers will show with temps in the teens right now..

I don' thave a cord, and my laptop doesn't have BT . andmy android was a work phone swapped out for iphone... the problem I'm finding with the apple apps is that they do not support BT. wifi yes but not BT...

200+ sustained for trans is just a death wish heat kills the fluid are there any free apps for apple. I have a bluetooth plug for the cars OBD port but when I had my prius I had an android and was able to run torque lite... if you have a good app for the iphone I could start capturing some data for you on my 18 mile commute...

SLP I think you are delusional if you think people can do a tranny swap in their garage with the assistance of you tube and some digital shop manuals.. Brakes, oil changes, fluid changes water pump, plugs yeah sure...basic maintenance When I raced my 94 Impala SS I did trans swaps 2x a year and rebuilt my own GM 4L60 E (in my home garage on jack stands no lift) I even owned a a second transmission. I'm not an auto worker (landscaper by trade) but I am very mechanically inclined. It was no picnic and it was a day long job with air tools...but it was a hobby as well.. I don't see the average person even mechanical inclined going out renting an engine lift and any other tools they may need and tackling a job like a trans swap. in their garage. they woudl need to take time off work, rent a vehicle, ect, ect.. its pretty overwhelming... In regards to shops that charge higher prices. it's not a rip-off if the customer agrees to the price/conditions. Some folks are really attached to their vehicle and put a premium on getting it serviced/fixed. If they want a rush service, then they pay a rush price. Yes the customer has many more options to them in regards the ability to research prospective shops so they know what they are getting into. Over time the shops that charge the higher prices or have poor customer service will be found out. HVAC, Plumbing, electricians its a bit of a racket but they to have high overhead as they spend much their day driving from job to job...IE unbillable time... As a landscaper going from job to job we spend 25% of our time looking at the windshield. Someone has to pay for it... essentially it does come down to being an informed consumer... and much of the stuff that people call plumbers, electricians, ect for can be done by themselves. but some are willing to pay the premium to have someone else do it..

jest... i was like you I had 2 hhr's then went to the prius. and then stumbled upon the ford... I have the sel with DRL's but its has a switch for the DRL on, head light on parking lights on or headlights auto. I just keep mine switched to the auto setting... and if I feel its not enough during inclement weather...reach down and turn it on.. SLP... dealerships are a business. they're primary function is to...Gasp....make money for their owners. They do this by selling cars and working on cars. Yes there are some that are better than others and nicer to their customers, and others that are troublesome. If you want cheap service, take the car down to billy-bob on the corner and let him twist wrenches. When an Authorized ford dealership is working on your vehicle they are obligated under contract to sell ford parts, at set prices. Yes they can sell the parts at higher prices but the other variable is Labor rate... and even then they are pretty similar from dealer to dealer. I went on ALLDATA (not the bible of auto repair, but pretty close). a new transmission is $4000 plus 13 hours in labor... which puts you near $6000 not counting taxes or other disposal/shop fees. If a dealerhsip is quoting you $14000 just walk away and find someone else.... Keep in mind that using a dealer for such a job would keep your warranty in force, where as billy bob not so much. Its not the dealership's fault you are in a "hard place" I'm sure they hear all kinds of Sob stories like being on fixed income, just lost a job, ect. if they gave out discounts to every tom dick and harry, they would be out of business. Most business models are to make money, not do work for free. I used to own a service(not automotive) business and the amount of people that would ask for or expect free stuff was mind boggling. On average in a service type job. Every dollar you bill you make about 25 cents.. So I now need to recoup my 75cents in overhead to break even. which means I need to bill 3 dollars just to break even. So I give away $1, and I bill another $3. At this point in time I have broken even and not made any profit...on that $4 This in turn means higher prices for everyone else if the dealer expects to maintain their profitability. From time to time I would quote jobs at a price that was much higher that what would be considered "normal price" my reasons... 1. The job is a pain in the butt. Ie not something i really wanted to tackle. but at a higher price point it makes it worth wile. 2. The job is an unknown. Ie hidden conditions or not really sure how long its going to take, so I price high. 3. Customer is a a known problem. IE continuously complains, asks for change orders, slow pay, likes to talk, ect 4. Mis-bid. When I bid the job I brain farted and just bid it too high. made a mistake on I would imagine that with the original $14000 estimate one of the 4 reasons above is probably to blame... And I do agree with the other that your use of the salty language is not really appropriate here. the 4th paragraph of the TOS you agreed to use this forum is quoted below with the appropriate part highlighted. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this bulletin board to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violate any law.

Hey folks, I'm checking ALLDATA and I;m coming up empty. So I was looking at how to remove the hybrid battery and it refers to loadspace trim panels to remove. problem is the ALLDATA is pretty mum on how to remove the loadspace trim panels... I would imagine that you'd have to remove the carpet and then begin prying at the corners and see what happens. Kinda of like exploratory surgery. proceede with caution... have you given any though to heading over to the ford dealership with a dozen donuts for the service guy and ask to take a look at their shop manual for a few minutes???

ive been using this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Car-Mount-Holder-for-iPhone-Samsung-Galaxy-S3-S4-S5-Mobile-Phone-GPS-/121434745131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4613292b I have the suction mount stuck on the little shelf in front of the CD slot. the cord hangs straight down to the 12v plug in the dash. easy reach, doesn't block the MFT its pretty open in back I figure it woudl not be too hard to run the power cord behind the panels..if I chose to...

maybe that was version #1 :) yeah the prius powered boat is out there.... at least there are still "hot" rodders out there...

i guess depending on where you park your car... why not just plug the fridge into a house outlet at night, and then into the cmax outlet in the morning... yeah it might be a pita, but it beats risking damage to the cars electrical system... unless you could fit a deep cycle battery 12v battery into the car and keep a single battery. the problem with the inverter, IMO is that you are loosing efficiency in the transfer from 12v to 110. why not just get a 12v fridge/cooler and ditch the inverter... I'm assuming you are thinking about a compressorless unit...