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#1 OFFLINE   rhinbc

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 09:22 PM

March 16, 2016

After researching vehicles for about a year, I decided to get a C-Max hybrid as it has very few problems.

After reading a few reports that said Ford was adding more sound insulation to the 2016, I waited rather than get a 2015.

I bought a 2016 about 3 weeks ago. It is a loaded SEL in the Tectonic color with black interior.

So far, I like the car, especially the gas mileage. I have about 450 kilometers on it, a lot of that city driving,

and am getting 40-45 mpg, or 6.5 liters per 100 k. That I really like. And the gas motor is on quite a bit to keep me warm!

But....Ford didn't do a very good job of isolating tire/road noise. The Michelin M/S energy saver tires are NOISY!

If you are on new pavement it is quiet, but on older pavement, or seal-coated pavement with the pebbled surface,

it is noisy. So, if you want mileage, it is a good car. If you want a quiet ride, not so much.

As I drive it more, I'll update this from time to time.

 









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#2 OFFLINE   Marc Smith

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 06:52 AM

welcome,

 

tires may "break in" a quiet down in time...   I'm still on my factory tires on my 2013....have not noticed any more or less noise when compared to my wifes saturn vue.  Noise can be so subjective and road dependent.

 

what tire pressures are you running.  my current tank I'm at 49.7 half way in running 40psi .  trying to hit 700 miles on this tank...gonna be close 

 

have had nice weather,  no need to use heat or AC.


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#3 OFFLINE   Plus 3 Golfer

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 06:52 AM

Congrats and enjoy your C-Max.

 

Interesting you should mention tire noise as I also look for "low noise" tires when I buy tires.  About the only sources on tire noise ratings are from consumers (tirerack.com) or consumerreports.com.  I found the attached study a few years ago on tire noise.  Engine noise dominates the noise we hear at low speeds while tire noise dominates at higher speeds.  The study used 45 mph and above as the study speed for tire noise.   I believe that since we hear very little engine noise in the C-Max due to ANC and significant EV operation, we will hear more tire noise at all speeds and believe the tires are noisier than others (I know that I do).  So, I'm not sure the Michelins are noisy compared to other tires. :)  It may be just what we are hearing (or not hearing).

 

Also, as indicated in the study road surface affects tire noise and tire noise can be reduced without compromising safety by using a "low noise" surface.

 

"...low noise road surface can be built at the same time considering safety, durability and cost using one or more of the following approaches: 1. A surface with a smooth surface texture using small top size aggregate 2. A porous surface, such as an open graded friction course (OGFC) with a high air void content 3. A pavement-wearing course that has an inherent low stiffness at the tire/pavement interface."

 

Attached File  Tire study noise.pdf   775.84KB   2 downloads


Edited by Plus 3 Golfer, 17 March 2016 - 06:57 AM.

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#4 OFFLINE   Kelleytoons

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 09:25 AM

Wow, *my* first Ford (my C-Max) is the quietest car I've ever owned -- the tires are almost noiseless (and I assume they are the same, although mine is a 2014 SE).

 

Just goes to show how different strokes for different folks affect things (although you might experiment with tire pressure -- they can be run at a VERY wide range and you may well find one that suits you better).

 

(My car is so quiet when I go up to the gate guards a lot of time they don't even come out because they don't hear me -- several have commented on this.  I love running in EV "stealth" mode :>).



#5 OFFLINE   stevedebi

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 12:33 PM

March 16, 2016

After researching vehicles for about a year, I decided to get a C-Max hybrid as it has very few problems.

After reading a few reports that said Ford was adding more sound insulation to the 2016, I waited rather than get a 2015.

I bought a 2016 about 3 weeks ago. It is a loaded SEL in the Tectonic color with black interior.

So far, I like the car, especially the gas mileage. I have about 450 kilometers on it, a lot of that city driving,

and am getting 40-45 mpg, or 6.5 liters per 100 k. That I really like. And the gas motor is on quite a bit to keep me warm!

But....Ford didn't do a very good job of isolating tire/road noise. The Michelin M/S energy saver tires are NOISY!

If you are on new pavement it is quiet, but on older pavement, or seal-coated pavement with the pebbled surface,

it is noisy. So, if you want mileage, it is a good car. If you want a quiet ride, not so much.

As I drive it more, I'll update this from time to time.

Interesting, I wonder if you get different tires up there. I don't notice the road noise that much. About what I used to get. The C-Max is quiet enough that I can speak to the passenger without raising my voice, at any speed I've tried up to 80MPH.



#6 OFFLINE   markd

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 04:02 PM

Have you tried turning the radio up? Seriously, the car is very quite when the ice isn't running so that is probably why you hear the tire noise. Welcome to the forum!

#7 OFFLINE   markd

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 04:02 PM

Have you tried turning the radio up? Seriously, the car is very quite when the ice isn't running so that is probably why you hear the tire noise. Welcome to the forum!
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#8 OFFLINE   rhinbc

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Posted 09 April 2017 - 02:08 PM

Well, I've had my 2016 SEL for a year now..

The change oil light came on at 3600 km or about 2250 miles

95% of my driving is in the city, and it had a lot of condensation in it.

So I will have to try to get on the highway more to get it hotter.

A week after the oil change, the cam sensor (used for timing)

failed and had to be replaced.

And a plastic panel by the right rear window won't stay in place,

so they ordered a new one about 2 weeks ago. Not here yet.

 

In the summer, with no A/C, I was getting 50 mph per Canadian gallon

or about 40 mph per US gallon in city driving.

The little bit of highway I did drive was usually higher!

In the winter, I get around 37 mpg Cdn. I like to be warm!

 

As for gas mileage, this is the best car I have owned.

 

BUT.. unless I am on new pavement, this is the worst car I have owned for road noise.

Even my 1990 Plymouth Sundance is not as bad.

But in the summer, if you have the windows open, the noise is way better.

The tires are Michelin A/S that are also marked MS

The recommended tire pressure is 38, but I run them about 35, and that

seems to change the tone of the noise.

 

Below about 1500 rpm, I can feel the engine vibrations through the steering wheel.

And for me, the turn signal and wiper switch should be an inch further away from the steering wheel,

as I am prone to hitting it and starting the wipers on dry glass.

 

So if this is all I have to complain about, that's pretty good!

Would I buy another one? No. My next car will have to have way less road noise.

 

 



#9 OFFLINE   fbov

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Posted 10 April 2017 - 12:50 PM

Condensation in the oil is not uncommon; but how do you know you had water in the oil? I do used oil analysis. 

 

Some owners have reported road noise issues related to tires. Others run the tires for 60K miles without issues. I swap OEMs and snows every winter and can't say I notice a big noise difference. 

 

There is also an active noise suppression system in the cabin to counteract drive train noise. Some owners have had issues, disabling it. Check the fuse. I'm fine with it, save for the narrow speed range that results in a "moan" when driving in Vermont (never heard it before visiting my daughter; we live in NY)

 

I can only suggest examining the tires to see if they have any uneven wear that might point you to a mechanical issue. A lot of folks have replace sway bar links (me) or shocks, or had alignment issues. I also run tire pressures close to sidewall rating, and rarely open the windows, both for economy reasons. 

 

Best mileage ever, though, and a lot of fun getting there, too. 

 

HAve fun,

Frank








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