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Hey all - noob here with first question. I recently picked up a '13 Energi local to me, and it apparently only has the 300A package, no backup/reverse cam, no Navi, etc. I have update the SYNC 2 from version 4.29 to v 3.08, and all went smoothly. Added Navi via Forscan and got an A11 card off of e-bay. Navi works great! Love having a backup camera, and after having the rearview mirror mount ones, decided to go more OEM since they block an extra chunk of the windshield. I used this camera: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073DXZH4Z/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and it worked out okay, clean fit in the license plate light. The only hitch is that I had to use an wiring harness adapter to the back of the APIM, and used this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SN4Y5PT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The rearview works great!! Only issues are 1) - Forscan will no longer recognize the APIM with the adapter in place. - Missing wire? Too many connectors for OBD to bridge? Anyone had the same/similar problems? 2) - 911 Emergency Assist Fault now comes up, despite turning the option off in the menus, AND in the APIM and RCM blocks via Forscan. This didn't happen with camera enabled in the menus, (but not physically hooked up while I waited for the adapter to arrive). Strange. Cannot kill this error. I've had the car for 3 weeks now, and I'm sure this is what triggered it. FWIW, the PO missed the TCU update 15N04, so I have a dead TCI that I'm contemplating upgrading myself, but don't think that's connected to this error, since the 911 assist uses your cell phone, right? Any tips appreciated, I'll throw up some pics here as well. Hope this helps somebody else, too. Other than these quirks, loving the Energi! Most of my drives are short, and my electricity's cheap!

Can you share with us the price difference in these 2 options? I would expect the Prius to be much more expensive up front. And you are looking at some big depreciation in the C-Max in about 3 years as you near end of warranty. I've been trolling the used C-Max market, and they seem to be about 2500-3000 lower for every model year (there is variation, of course), and decent drop when they hit 100K and transmission warranty expires. Toyotas tend to have more gradual depreciation curves.

I'll chime in. I just bought 2 C-Maxes, a '14 Hybrid, and a '13 Energi. I'm keeping the Energi. I've owned nothing but Toyota/Lexus for 20+ years. I sought out the C-Max because I actually FIT in the thing, AND can see out the windshield. I'm not overly tall at 6'4", but I sold my '06 HIghlander Hybrid because my eyes were right at the top of the windshield, and the mirror blocked a significant portion of my view. Plus, it didn't get stellar MPG, and I didn't need the 3rd row. I have a Land Cruiser for towing and cargo duties. Having said all that, am I some sort of Ford convert? Hardly. Do. The. Math. - on total cost of ownership. I routinely drive my Toyotas to approaching 300K miles, and do long, and even cross/round the country drives in them. However, you pay up front for that reliability. You pay A LOT up front for that. It's kind of like buying an extended warranty, it's just baked into the purchase price. Fords DO have some significant depreciation as they approach and pass factory warranty age/mileage. The savings in gas between a C-Max at 38 MPG and a Prius at 50 MPG is $222 per year in favor of the Prius (at 15K miles and $2.35/gal). That's eighteen bucks per month. Like, lunch money difference, once or twice per month. A non-factor, in my opinion. The Ford has the comfort, driveability, (in my case the visibility) and feature advantage. The Toyota has the reliability and resale advantage. All money being equal, you will buy a much older, less well appointed, less enjoyable to drive, and higher mileage Prius compared to the C-Max. I fully expect my C-Max to be in the shop much more than my Toyota ever was, but have budgeted for it, and compensated by negotiating a lower purchase price. Time will tell. It's only been a few weeks, but I enjoy driving a much newer car. I went from 14 years old, 180K, to 7 years old, 105K, plug-in technology, and still pocketed $1,400 on the deal.

HAHA. yeah. She probably would have preferred the way I typed it...

Well, I arranged to drive over to CA to buy an Energi, that the dealer "removed from inventory" about 30 minutes before I got there. So I drug my wife through Southern CA for the rest of the weekend looking at various C-Maxes, and atoned for it with a night on the beach. Ended up buying a base-level '14 SE Hybrid from a, uh... less-than-reputable? dealer (read curbstoner) in San Diego for a screaming deal, that took me the better part of a day to sort the title issues out once I got home. The day I got home, I found another screaming deal on the '13 Energi, which is what I really wanted, so I have them both, and now trying to offload the '14.

Just checking in, had my first C-max for about a week now. Well, actually, I bought 2 (long story) but will be keeping a '13 Energi SEL (with the base package, no nav, backup camera, foot-wavy tailgate thingy. But so far so good. Sold my Toyota Highlander Hybrid (2006) because I couldn't see out of it very well, I'm 6'4" tall. C-max came highly recommended on the interwebs for tall drivers, and a test drive confirmed that. I feel like I'm driving an IMAX theater! In my Highlander, my eyes were just a hair below the roofline. It sucked. Couldn't see stop lights if I was near the front of the line, nor peds standing on the passenger's side corner. Gas mileage wasn't all that good either, but it did have a third row for mini-humans you had a large disdain for... Anyway, I've owned nothing but Toyota and Lexus for over 20 years, and typically drove them for approaching 300K miles. Not gonna lie, the trans issue scares the *(&# out of me, since at 105K I'm out of warranty, but when I look at it rationally, I just have to bake the price of a replacement into the car, and even then it's still cheaper than (if it existed) the Toyota counterpart (it doesn't exist because I can't fit into anything comparable in my budget). I just realized I'd be pre-paying on a extended warranty for the Toyotas that was essentially "baked-in" to the purchase price. They were super-reliable, but also super-expensive when things went wrong. So just wanted to say "Thanks!" for the forum. Learned a lot in the search for a C-max already. Look forward to contributing. Loved wrenching on my Toyotas (4 Land Cruisers, Avalon, 4 Runner, Highlander, ES 350). And if anyone wants a swell deal on a white '14 Hybrid SE with 116K, hit me up... :)