RachelnLa Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 As the price of gas climbs, I want my cmax. I just put 60.00 in the Tahoe and its not full. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-MaxJaxon Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) We need higher fuel prices to discourage people from buying huge guzzlers that they really don't need. But the cost of almost everything you buy will increase because it's shipped to your city on a diesel powered truck or train or flown in on a jet. Not to mention the stuff shipped across oceans on huge cargo ships. Edited January 25, 2013 by C-MaxJaxon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus-A-CMax Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I'm seeing it now and have been noticing how each time the finished food products are getting smaller and smaller while the price has not moved or gone up a tad. However, there are days where I do wish the gas prices were $4.50pg to get some of these morons off the roads and free up the freeways. I swear LA has the worse traffic, we invented the "freeway car park" term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusty Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I swear LA has the worse traffic, we invented the "freeway car park" term..... worst in the country. 3 hours yesterday from westside to anaheim. should take about over an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus-A-CMax Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I swear LA has the worse traffic, we invented the "freeway car park" term..... worst in the country. 3 hours yesterday from westside to anaheim. should take about over an hour. Ouch! 405 / 5, right? Hey, at least you have to be glad you're in a hybrid sucking electricity and not gas and pumping away on a nice, nice Sony surround. Sometimes, I have a nice snigger at these huge 4X4 SUVs with 1 person in it dashing from stop to stop, doesn't get any sillier than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoBro2 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Part of the problem with fuel prices in the US is that diesel fuel, which is mostly used for commercial purposes, is taxed at a higher rate than gasoline. To discourage the wasting of petroleum products by the general population without raising the prices on everything, that tax structure should be reversed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-MaxJaxon Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 One problem with a gas tax is that it hurts lower income people more. That is not the case with other types of taxes. With income tax, rates can be maintained or reduced independently for some lower income brackets. With sales tax, you have to spend a lot to pay a lot. With property tax, the homes with the highest assessed value pay the most. If you have a long commute, or have already reduced your driving to a minimum, or already drive a fuel efficient vehicle, there is little you can do to lessen the impact of higher gas prices because it is effectively a fixed expense. pomtrey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldm Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Absolutely correct Jason. Lower incomes still need to travel for work and for food on a daily basis. Asking for high fuel costs to remedy another problem is ignoring possible negative impacts on others not in your same environment or situation. I read an article where someone was calling for a usage tax on electricity in order to make solar competitive with coal. Evidently they figured out that a carbon tax was not going to happen. Now someone please tell me how this is a good thing for folks just barely getting by? pomtrey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus-A-CMax Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Thats wishing. IMO, with the current Adminstration, I very much doubt the gas prices will drop, there is no incentive for the man on top to do anything and he clearly wants the gas prices to rise, shafting those aka the 49 percenters, who voted for him in majority. Who knows, there may be free hybrids/eco cars for these people, why not, there are free phones already and the govt owns GM....jus' sayin. Debt, what debt, doesn't every household have some large mortgage debt, so why not the govt... :waiting: Edited January 26, 2013 by Jus-A-CMax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adair Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Politics please dtorres, JAZ and hmatthews102 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingrider01 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 We need higher fuel prices to discourage people from buying huge guzzlers that they really don't need. But the cost of almost everything you buy will increase because it's shipped to your city on a diesel powered truck or train or flown in on a jet. Not to mention the stuff shipped across oceans on huge cargo ships. And you can see how well that has worked over the years - all of the major manufacturers are still making and selling these gas guzzlers and they are selling very well. higher gas prices only hurt the end user and fill the pockets of the oil producers. pomtrey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-MaxJaxon Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 We now have Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) instead of gas taxes. One other idea is a tax that sets a minimum price on gas (not diesel used by businesses) of something like $3.50 a gallon. The lower the pre-tax sale amount, the more collected as tax. Gas prices have been under $3/gallon in many places recently. Every time the prices drop, sales of big guzzlers go back up. Lots of people with short memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roninsd Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 Politics please :happy feet: yea. Nicely put. Adair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingrider01 Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 We now have Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) instead of gas taxes. One other idea is a tax that sets a minimum price on gas (not diesel used by businesses) of something like $3.50 a gallon. The lower the pre-tax sale amount, the more collected as tax. Gas prices have been under $3/gallon in many places recently. Every time the prices drop, sales of big guzzlers go back up. Lots of people with short memories. Or they have needs that are not meet by a small vehicle - like trailing 3 motorcycles, hauling a family of 7 around, short memories would be a minor reason, life requirements would be the major reason. I drive a c-max for noraml, but have a F-250 with extended cab and long bed, my wife drives a Honda Odyssey that seats 8 - and is getting an average of 28 mpg highway, just 5 mpg less then what I am averaging on the C-Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-MaxJaxon Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 For every person who has a legitimate need to tow a trailer or has a large family, there are multiple buyers who want a large vehicle because they think it's much safer in a crash, or they like the styling, or like the high driving position, or they want 4-wheel drive for those half a dozen days a year when snow hasn't been plowed off the roads yet, or some other excuse that is not justifiable.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelnLa Posted January 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Justification or not, it boils down to our wants. Family of five I drove a suburban. I could have driven a mini van but I don't like them. Family of four (oldest child drives) I drive a Tahoe. I could have bumped down to a small crossover but still needed to haul heavy loads. Hubby and i go places together. Kids often doing their own things. I could drive a car. I don't like a car. Hubby either meets me or is unable to go due to job. I go alone. I could drive a really small car because it's really just me most of the time. I no longer need to haul loads or kids. So, I wanted something smaller than a Tahoe. Remember, I don't like cars. I drove quite a few vehicles. Almost settled on a Prius. Almost! Then I drove the cmax. it was roomy, comfortable, powerful, and I didn't feel like I was riding in a car! I was sold. It's what I wanted. Want versus need. I wanted a smaller vehicle but I didn't want to give up certain things that my larger vehicle gave me. I found all I wanted and needed in the cmax. :). I also loved the no note of my Tahoe hahahaha guess that's about to change. roninsd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingrider01 Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) For every person who has a legitimate need to tow a trailer or has a large family, there are multiple buyers who want a large vehicle because they think it's much safer in a crash, or they like the styling, or like the high driving position, or they want 4-wheel drive for those half a dozen days a year when snow hasn't been plowed off the roads yet, or some other excuse that is not justifiable.. Isn't that the beauty of free will and free choice in this country? You can buy what you want, when you want and how you want, even if you can;t afford it. Commercialism at it's best, it is what keeps free enterprise running in this country. Freedom of choice is wonderful you don;t have to justify it to anyone, not even yourself. I am with RachelnLA - I detest 4 wheeled cages and inattentive drivers which is why I am glad that use of a cell phone is becoming a stoppable offense in some areas Edited January 27, 2013 by Wingrider01 zhackwyatt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhackwyatt Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 I used to drive an Explorer, but the 16mpg was killing me financially. So i wanted a more fuel efficient car, but I still wanted the space. I still have the explorer and I may or may not get rid of it. I'm just glad I have the freedom to choose whatever I want. FoutsNC and RachelnLa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roninsd Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Different strokes. If someone else wants or needs a behemoth-mobile, so be it. I know the environmental concerns, but I think that my driving the C-Max balances it out, kind of like helping out my larger roadmates. (Giving them my carbon credits, so to speak!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelld Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 RUG just went up 12 cents overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurel Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Our gas price has been pretty stable at about $1.35 per liter and that includes 35 cents tax per liter which includes 7 cents carbon tax. We are taxed very heavily in Canada, but we have many pluses with that. My opinion does not necessarily reflect the opinion of other Canadians, but I feel blessed to live here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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