fbov Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Looking at the datasheets you linked, I think you've actually found a good alternative to the oil pan heaters... low-wattage, open loop, but with mounting flexibility that allows them to be placed where they can be more effective than an oil pan heater pad. Regardless, you're still relying on a low-power heater so it can be safely used without a thermostat. I still like the commercial imersion heaters, as they are thermostat-protected as well as intended for the application. I got one for 1 3/4" from a co-worker, and I'm impressed with the build quality, even if it's won't fit a C-Max. I'll consider installing one next year, as my mileage has improved so much over last year that I need to re-baseline performance if I want to give an honest estimate of the improvement. Anyone out there have an immersion heater from the factory? Do you use it? What's it do? (Hoping for someone a ways north of you, Paul.) HAve fun,Frank ptjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecraigsmit Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Just got the quote, it's a little more that I had hoped but still within reason, not much cost savings on a bulk order. How's it compare to a dealership installed block heater or the dual stick-on oil pan heaters? Tempco PN: FTF20009 HEATED TAPE 1-9 $211.80 eachHeating Tape - Silicone Rubber 10-up $200.05 eachSize = 0.50" W x 216.0" LWith optional 120 V plugExtruded Silicone Rubber468 watts, 120 voltsStandard Lead Time: Three weeks - ARO. ptjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted November 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I hope these pics will work.FORD CMAX ICE Block HeaterRear Side of ICE bloke with freeze plug hole upper left. Exhaust manifold up above.ICE Block Heater installed center right.Showing smooth area where oil pan heater could be installed.Turned 1/2" to 3/8" adapter into 14mm Allen socket wrench. Had to do this to have enough room to remove freeze plug. :) Paul Edited November 10, 2014 by ptjones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 A ICE Block Heater is probably the best, most efficient way to heat the ICE. Unfortunately it is the most difficult solution if it doesn't come stock with one. Oil Pan Heater is the easiest solution, but there is limited space on the bottom of Oil Pan(125W) so that limits size of Heater. But an additional Oil Pan Heater can be applied to back side of Block fairly easily that could have twice Wattage(250W of the Oil Pan Heater.This could have substantial heating capability. Wire heat tape is another option that would be relatively easy to do, but not very efficient getting heat into the block and not sure what the long term effects on the hoses would be. The radiator hose circulating heater wouldn't be bad if you can get to circulate coolant into the block. I don't know if there are any room constraints. IMO :) Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbov Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 ...The radiator hose circulating heater wouldn't be bad if you can get to circulate coolant into the block....Just to be clear, I'm not considering a circulating immersion heater, that is, one with a pump. The link shows all the options available. The lower radiator hose heaters specify installation in a stretch of hose that's inclined upward, toward the block, with no downward dips between there and the block. I take this to mean they only use convection within the hose to distribute the heat. With a 600W element, there should be a strong thermal gradient... and I once drove ~200 miles without a water pump, using only thermally driven circulation. It's plenty of flow for warming a small engine like this one. And I look forward to Paul's experiences this winter! Have fun,Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted November 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Just to be clear, I'm not considering a circulating immersion heater, that is, one with a pump. The link shows all the options available. The lower radiator hose heaters specify installation in a stretch of hose that's inclined upward, toward the block, with no downward dips between there and the block. I take this to mean they only use convection within the hose to distribute the heat. With a 600W element, there should be a strong thermal gradient... and I once drove ~200 miles without a water pump, using only thermally driven circulation. It's plenty of flow for warming a small engine like this one. And I look forward to Paul's experiences this winter! Have fun,FrankThursday Night it is suppose to get down to 28*F so I might try it out. :) Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted November 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I left MADMAX(He doesn't like the cold) outside last Night to test the ICE Block and Oil Pan Heaters in the cold. This Morning I turned on the Heaters at 7:37AM the OT was 26*F, IT 33*F and WT 35*F then when I went to work at 9:28AM the OT was 36*F, IT 55*F and WT 83*F, a difference of 57*F. :)Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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