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#21 OFFLINE   stolenmoment

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:38 AM

Ford pays Toyota for use of the Prius drive train design (elements?).









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#22 ONLINE   ptjones

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:56 AM

Ford pays Toyota for use of the Prius drive train design (elements?).

No, I heard they collaborated on newest designs. https://social.ford....rid-system.html

 

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#23 OFFLINE   raadsel

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 01:41 PM

Ford pays Toyota for use of the Prius drive train design (elements?).

 

Both Ford and Toyota license parts of the technology from each other, both own some of the patents needed. I don't believe any money is paid either direction, that the cross-licensing is roughly "equal value."


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#24 OFFLINE   stolenmoment

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:32 PM

Hmm, that article only talks about rear-wheel-drive hybrids, and is undated.  But I'm glad to learn stuff!



#25 OFFLINE   jmcgliss

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:16 AM

This is only our first week with a 2018 C-Max Hybrid.  We are seeing 50.7mpg with 60% EV use after five days of commuting (45 minutes each way on suburban 45-55mph roads with stop lights and stretches of open road cruising).  Yesterday I even managed to climb some rolling hills with it staying in EV mode (momentum seemed to help).

 

Our "coach" scores for acceleration, braking, and cruising are blue most of the time, with only occasional amber moments such as when entering a freeway.

 

We are thrilled with these numbers after reading the sour grapes reviews online that C-max averages in the 30mpg range. 

 

The greatest frustration so far is with other drivers who speed up and slow down erratically, making it hard to plan ahead with de-cel and braking.


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#26 OFFLINE   SnowStorm

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:16 PM

You're off to a good start and it should only get better!  Agree that other drivers can be nuts - like tearing around you so they can immediately hit the brakes as they go off an exit.  Anyway, enjoy the new car - you got yours just in time!


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#27 OFFLINE   obob

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:38 AM

Ford pays Toyota for use of the Prius drive train design (elements?).

 

They also may still be licensing some technology from before.

 

https://www.nytimes....technology.html



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Posted 19 May 2018 - 01:54 PM

I believe the current Hybrid system is of FORD's design. :)

 

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 11:34 PM

I believe the current Hybrid system is of FORD's design. :)

 

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Yes it is but it looks very similar to the Aisin design.  Worth watching the video.  But Ford may still have to pay a licensing fee.


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Posted 27 May 2018 - 06:42 PM

Yes it is but it looks very similar to the Aisin design.  Worth watching the video.  But Ford may still have to pay a licensing fee.

 

Ford and Toyota developed similar hybrid systems independently of each other, based on work originally done by TRW. Basically, Ford and Toyota both license patents from the other for their hybrid systems, I'm not sure that any money is actually paid either way.



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Posted 28 May 2018 - 10:12 AM

Pre-escape hybrid article (2004)

"Under the agreement announced yesterday, Toyota will license to Ford a patented hybrid control system that links a gasoline engine with an electric motor. The companies refused to disclose the terms of the licensing agreement or how much Ford would pay in royalties. In addition, the companies agreed to license to each other emission reduction technologies that each has developed."

https://www.nytimes....technology.html

 

 

2009 articles

"Toyota's patent-filing strategy has made it far too risky to copy the Prius without Toyota's blessing,"

https://www.wsj.com/...640553503576637

 

Slashdot points us to a WSJ story about how Toyota has purposely built up a patent thicket so thick that basically no one can build hybrid vehicles without paying up:

https://www.techdirt...055045483.shtml

 

 

2007 judgment against toyota  (even Toyota pays)

"In Paice LLC v. Toyota Motor Corp.2007 WL 3024994 (Fed. Cir. 2007), after a finding of infringement and damages of $25 per use of infringing drive trains for hybrid motors,"

http://www.ipinfoblo...icial-fiat.html



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Posted 28 May 2018 - 12:03 PM

^^LOL^^, looks like a $25 royalty per unit.   Bottom line: Does any of this really matter???  Generally, the first to file patent wins even though many may be developing  a sijmilar product at the same time.  We can only speculate on what all the licensing agreement might "actually" say / allow without the actual documents.

 

Since 1992, Paice has focused exclusively on enabling automakers to design and develop cost-effective hybrid electric vehicles that deliver superior fuel economy and performance. It has licensed its hybrid vehicle technology portfolio to the world’s most significant hybrid automakers – Toyota, Ford, Hyundai/Kia, and others – who collectively account for more than 80% of all hybrid vehicle sales in the United States."

 

AICE PRESS RELEASE | APRIL 12, 2018

Ford licenses hybrid vehicle patents from Paice, Abell Foundation
Four out of every five hybrid-electric vehicles in the world now have a Paice license.



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Posted 08 June 2018 - 04:15 PM

30mpg?that would be almost impossible in the cmax.. Even in - 30 centigrade i was getting about 35mpg. Summer weather getting about 45mpg now (new tires too). If youre getting 50 that is amazing! I love my cmax.

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 10:45 AM

DarenHayes, I think the "30-ish mpg" comments were from online trolls we discovered when doing research before our purchase.

 

After one month, we're averaging 51.5mpg and approximately 59% EV use. My wife is deferring her next fill-up so we can join the 600-mile club, or better.  She also loves not having to stop for gas after work or in bad weather.



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Posted 09 June 2018 - 12:00 PM

That is awesome... I wish i had a 2018!






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