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Turns out size matters. It was pain to switch batteries, but would be less so if one knew in advance what had to be done. The 96R is about 3/8 inch longer than the 67R. The oem 67r is held down by a bolt that extends through the bottom of the battery well -- presumably so it can maximally rust from rain and road salt. The nut and bolt on my 2013 were welded together by corrosion and could not be removed. Solution: 3 lb mallet, drive bolt and nut up into case. This only slightly enlarges the hole in the bottom of the battery well. With that hold-down and the original battery removed, the 96r won't quite fit with the other battery hold-down in place. It is a block of plastic at the back of the case, held by 2 rivets. Solution - the 3 lb mallet you will find you have lying nearby, having earlier used it to remove the other hold-down. I used the mallet with a flat "Wonder bar" style pry bar, and was able to remove the hold-down intact; it could be reinstalled if need be, using 2 screws in place of the rivets. Now the 96r fits in the well. And car is back to normal starting behavior. I tried resetting the battery age using this ritual: key ON, flash brights five times, then brake 3 times. After I did this, a yellow icon to left of speedometer flashed 3 times. But when I went into Forscan, battery age was not reset. I also wasn't able to reset it using Forscan Lite for Android. Has anyone else replaced the OEM 67r with a 96r (or other non-OEM battery? If so, how has it worked out?
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The Motorcraft 67r battery in my 2013 is totally dead. It's a bit less than 3 years old. None of 3 local dealers have them in stock, and they want $180 plus $16 core plus tax to order one for me to somehow pick up later in the week. So I ordered a Walmart 96r to be delivered to my house today. It is $109.76. I have measured the 96r before and it is almost identical in width and height, and about 3/8 inch longer than the 67r. As I remember, a main difference is that the lips on the battery that are used to tie the battery down run along the sides in the 96r, whereas they are at the ends of the 67r. The 96r has about 50% more reserve capacity than the 67r - the measure that matters, since in the C-max this battery is not asked to deliver high cranking amps. The extra capacity is a plus, but more so is Walmart free delivery to my porch, along with a much better price - and a lower ($10) core charge. While I was at it, I ordered a 5qt jug of Mobil 1 Hybrid oil, which currently comes with a $5 "Walmart Cash" credit if ordered online.
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On January 8 2024, CR posted an article "Best Cars Under $15000". The 2015-2016 C-max is recommended under the "Small Cars" heading, along with used Honda Fit, Mazda3, Toyota Corolla and Toyota Prius. They say: "The C-Max is an appealing all-around package, combining the fuel efficiency of its standard hybrid powertrain with the practicality of a five-door hatchback design. Based on the Ford Focus, it packs an impressive amount of room and utility into a small footprint. Its tall stance and low entry height make for easy access, and the cabin is airy and spacious. At 37 mpg overall, the C-Max isn’t as fuel efficient as the Toyota Prius of the era, nor is it as roomy. But it’s much quieter inside, making the C-Max feel solid and substantial. And it’s more fun to drive, with precise steering, responsive handling, and a luxurious ride."
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P1A10:00-AF Help
djc replied to marcel111's topic in Electrical, Gauges, Instruments, Lighting, Rear View Mirror
My 2 year old 12v battery also reads 11.7 volts when key is off. That is plenty to pull-in the relay that lets the HVB begin recharging the 12v and also start the car. When you open the door instrument panel back light should come on. When key is to "on" (but not start) you should hear relay click behind you and 12v battery voltage should rise (mine goes to 12.5). Turning key to "start" should bring the 12volt circuit up to 14.3 or so volts. So how much of that happens for you? You might try disconnecting the 12v battery for a few minutes then reconnecting - sort of rebooting. Here is a write-up, apparently for Ford service centers, on the code you mention in 2016-17 Fusions. It appears to be connected with BECM, and appears to be a software problem (the remedy they mention is reprogramming the BECM). So maybe your new battery (or the installation process) triggered the code (which apparently also prevents starting the vehicle): https://ford.oemdtc.com/3140/no-crank-p1a10-diagnostic-trouble-code-dtc-2016-2017-ford-fusion Please let us know the resolution of your problem - there but for the grace of Ford go we. -
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Lacienega reacted to a post in a topic: coolant tank cap stuck
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Having done this again and actually looked at the coolant reservoir cap once removed, I see the inner piece (presumably a pressure relief valve) is free to turn in the cap. It is not threaded, it has an 0-ring to seal the reservoir. So pressing down on the cap does not engage anything. I used a drop of oil off the dipstick to lube the cap threads - handier than tracking down silicone grease - and that seemed to help. I have a slow coolant leak - drips from the bottom of the thermostat housing. Thermostat housing is low, near the oil filter. It connects to 4 coolant hoses of various diameters. I have added UV flourescent dye to the coolant (at the reservoir) and hope to have a better idea of the leak location soon.
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The 2023 Mobil 1 rebate program has been announced: https://acbincentives.com/mobil1/terms.asp Includes "Advanced Fuel Economy" but not "Hybrid" version. Rebate for most versions is $6 per 5 quarts, or $10 for a few "extended performance" versions. Limit 2 rebates per household. Walmart is not on the long list of participating retailers, although "Other retailer" is. In past years rebates have been issued for purchases at Walmart even though WM was not on the list.
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djc reacted to a post in a topic: Coolant bleeding procedure - need info
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I just added coolant to my 2013 - the cap was extremely hard to turn. I discovered I needed to start removing it, then push down to engage an inner piece that is threaded into the reservoir and won't turn unless the visible cap is pressed down. Once it is off, adding some silicone grease sounds like a very good idea.
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This specialized hybrid oil has just come to market. It will be interesting to see how long Walmart carries it, as it vies for shelf-space with less-specialized oils. Also worth watching is whether Mobil offers a rebate to call attention to it. Some years they have had substantial rebates on their oils. If anyone comes across one, please post here.
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The publicity release says the "Hybrid" version is a Walmart exclusive. It is currently $28 a 5-qt jug. The additive package is supposed to include an additive that reduces water in the oil, a problem for hybrids because they run the engine intermittently and as a result often have lower coolant and oil temps. That causes water (and fuel) to build in the oil. PR sheet says this hybrid version of Mobil 1 "...has a special additive designed to help keep water and additional contaminants away from critical engine parts. " https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230404006047/en/Mobil-1™-Introduces-Latest-in-Product-Innovation-With-Hybrid-Full-Synthetic-Motor-Oil https://www.mobil.com/en-cn/passenger-vehicle-lube/pds/ap-xx-mobil-1-hybrid-0w-20 They still recommend changing the oil at 1 year (or 15k miles).
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Based on joint project from Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and Consumer Reports. Specifically C-max 2014-2015 years is good value: summary: https://www.motor1.com/news/591498/best-used-cars-teen-drivers/ at the source (May 26,2022): https://www.consumerreports.org/teen-driving/best-cars-for-teens-a2115540753/ (scroll down to "Best" section)
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Brainstorming doing a C-Max FAQ/possibly some short tips and tricks videos
djc replied to cr08's topic in General Discussion
Links to engine and cabin air cleaner replacement instructions. how to enter engineering test mode Use "Top Tier" gasoline to avoid injector problems? Tire inflation for max mpg -
djc reacted to a post in a topic: 2013 (and likely newer models) Global Close enabled and working!
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Buying a 2013 C-MAX SEL (110k miles) in 2021
djc replied to Nervous but Excited's topic in Buying, Order and Leasing
For trying to assess the probability of a failure, you need data from both those who experienced the failure and those who didn't. It seems very likely that in forums failures get reported; non-failures not so much. So failures are over-represented. Also it appears Ford sold more 2013 model year C-max than any other year, so even if the failure rate were the same every year, you would see more 2013 transmission failures being reported. Of course, Ford (and maybe some extended warranty underwriters) have the best data. Ford knows how many they sold, where they were sold (temps may matter), and how many had a warranty claim and at what mileage. But they won't share that. So, as far as I can tell, Consumer Reports has the best data on reliability that we can get. And it could be much better; they don't give us the actual numbers or the cost data they collect. However based on what their survey of owners shows, 2013 model year has had a transmission failure rate that is neither especially good nor bad, whereas the 2014 models were bad, and the 2015 and later model years were great. -
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Buying a 2013 C-MAX SEL (110k miles) in 2021
djc replied to Nervous but Excited's topic in Buying, Order and Leasing
Transmissions: Consumer Reports gathers repair data from owners. One of the trouble areas they gather data on is "major transmission". Results reported by Ford C-max owners, by model year: 2013 Average 2014 Much worse than average 2015 -17 Much better than average So the owner data here does not suggest that a 2013 will have major transmission failure. Prius V: When I was looking for a hybrid in 2015 I drove both the Cmax and a Prius V. The Cmax was faster and handled better. It felt roomier because of the headroom (I also drove a Fusion hybrid, which was harder to get into and felt claustrophobic after the C-max). So the C-max was my choice. -
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C-Max using Focus Sport Suspension
djc replied to FreeMiles's topic in Brakes, Chassis, Park Assist & Suspension
I don't understand how a low spring rate would limit raising the car using a spring coilover and shock spacer. A 25mm coilover will raise the rear 25mm. -
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Help... 2013 C-Max Hybrid SE won't run
djc replied to tstraw's topic in Maintenance, TSB's & Recalls
Running and dying sounds like fuel pressure problem.