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By "superceding" do you mean these? These are what I replaced my OEMs with as the price was right at the time I needed them. All specs looked equal aside from MAX PSI and an increase in load rating. They've been fine?

As an owner of an SEL, I can see how the rear hatch may have been designed with the power opening mechanism in the forefront of mind.

Any time I've had to manually open the boot when it failed to open fully via the power function, it's always felt as if it wasn't engineered to endure the stress of pulling repeatedly. Curious to know if the handle is designed differently for the SE models and the experience of others without the power vs manual liftgate.

Mine's wonky like this too. I am in and out of the hatch often with work-related cargo. Whether by foot or fob, sometimes the hatch only pops unlocked, but doesn't actuate open. Likewise, sometimes it doesn't want to close and give the audible "beep beep beep", indicating obstruction or similar. With no obvious obstruction, I just try until it work or manually open/close. At which point, subsequent attempts to open/close via foot or fob work for the next few attempts until it then doesn't at some random point.

Vouching for the lack of grease in my 2013 fobs. Clean that crap out and see if the issue doesn't recur.

899XX and still rollin' without any noticeable issues with the notorious original trans... *knocking on wood and such*

Very low-maintenance vehicle. Have only done the routine of oil & fluid changes, wiper replacements, tire rotation and replacement of the first set after about 70k. Still original brakes due to judicious/conservative driving style best suited to this type of vehicle. 

Known issue. Search the forum. Temporarily resolved by pulling a fuse. Sorry your dealer fleeced you.

In my experience, a lot of structural metal behind plastic vanity pieces isn't treated with the same rust inhibitors as the main body itself. I had a Lexus LX470 prior that had rust on the metal all throughout the center console when I tore into it to remove the archaic CD changer, even in areas where, no, a beverage couldn't have permeated if spilled. Unless you see moisture puddled or dripping profusely from somewhere, I'd chalk it up as normal oxidation of untreated metal. These vehicles today aren't designed nor built to last decades.

Not via driver-accessible menus. Perhaps via ForScan at the Stealership is your best bet for these types of granular changes.

Any surprise after all these years that the deprecated Sync 2 is STILL a cludge?

I herald the day proprietary, in-dash infotainment units are supplanted by dumb-terminal-esque tech for our portable/handheld devices. That's really all we need, but it's not in the be$t intere$t of the OEMs so...  :shrug:

So... how does this make the car dangerous to drive?

Anything is possible given the money, time and efforts one wants to invest in any endeavor. How much money, time and effort is it worth to you?

If/when the transmission in my '13 SEL (currently at 77k) starts to fail, I'll be promptly transitioning into another vehicle.

As a depreciated asset, I'm not looking to lose any more than I've already put in -- purchase price + ROUTINE maintenance. It's a vehicle. A great one for what it is/was, but ultimately still a tool. Emotions shouldn't factor 'lest ye be a fool.

WWSD - What Would Scotty [Kilmer] Do?

Well, transmission is gone. :sad:  Dealer has checked it out and there is a substantial leak and an internal noise verified by stethoscope.  I have heard some noise for maybe 50k miles but didn't know if it might be a wheel bearing or CV joint.  Anyway, new replacement is total of about $7100 with 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.  They found some used ones, a couple of 2013s (out of the question) and a 2014 with 66k miles but would still cost $4800 total and not much of a warranty.  Of course there are lots of others out there but I doubt a used one would be worth it since we would like to run this car another two or three years.  We will consider options for a different car and will have our salesman look into that.  I just wish there was an electric option I like but there isn't yet - I don't think.

The only sensible option is cutting any losses and offloading it.

What would one get for a 2013 SE with a bum transmission?

As much as I love my C-Max, I'm expecting Ford to bring to the market the next generation of hybrids, and in particular the Escape, later this year.  So, if you're still considering trading in the C-Max, you might wait until the new Fords arrive.

This. The new RAV4 Hybrid is also an appealing option, with impressive MPG, AWD and Toyota reliability. The Escape obviously won't be a hatchback/wagon like the C-MAX, but rather a crossover.

Gotta be careful with those "lifetime" map updates. There was a news story here a few months back. A man bought a GPS with "lifetime" map updates. It's not actually for the life of the product, but what the manufacturer determines is the "life". In the case of the unit, it was 3 years. It's a big scam I think. 

 

 

Also, if anyone is selling/getting rid of their old maps card I'd like to discuss that with you. Thanks!

Indeed. An issue that is gaining more publicity as of late.

The term "lifetime" being attributed to the expected/anticipated useful/supported life of an item, component or service. It's marketed in a way that buyers interpret the language as qualifying for the biological life of the buyer, not the aforementioned definition of the term. A bit of a bait and switch for the unwitting.

Knowing the truth will at least give those knowledgeable the opportunity to factor the variable into their budget.

Agree Google Maps better than Waze, IMO. I run ForScan and Maps on Smartphone. I have Ram window suction mount on side window which is easier to see than looking down in center of dash. Power always connected. Never had a “heat” issue. Backup is Garmin 3490LMT ($100 from Pawn shop in 2012) for places with no cell service as one would have to save a map section and use saved map when no data service available - PITA when traveling long distances. So, I saved the initial cost of in car Nav system plus map update cost.

 

Another $70 saved!!!

These use cases are what the OEMs need to pay attention to, giving us useful features and systems that we WANT and not just the status quo offerings. The software developers on the mobile side are innovating far more quickly, efficiently and cost-effectively, with the better devs incorporating feedback such as this into their offerings. While Google Maps, for one, will cache an entire route front gathered data whilst connected to a network, the ability to cache a much larger geographic area inclusive of waypoints, etc. is sorely needed, especially with data stores on devices doubling every successive generation or two. 

+1 for the ODBII software also available on smartphones. No justification for why ForScan couldn't have been an "app" available for SYNC systems. Yet another compartmentalized money-grab by the Manufacturers and Stealerships, but I've digrressed beyond the scope of this thread. Hope some have found my experience, knowledge and perspective useful and empowering.

Waze has always been great for me especially when dealing with unusual traffic. Even with an active Traffic subscription with Sirius, the nav doesn't seem to take advantage of it other than an OCCASIONAL alert along the way when an occurrence is up ahead on the route. But still not enough of a benefit in my personal use cases to use it over the built in nav.

 

Built in nav for road trips: Traffic and other issues aren't that big of a deal as any reroute is going to likely be impossible or add more time than the slowdown.

Short trips to unfamiliar locations in town: Waze or Google Maps. More updated info and reroute around traffic which matters more in the city.

This. Though, I find these mobile solutions more suitable every and anywhere one would utilize OEM NAV with reason being that, even on the longer trips via interstate, there are seemingly impromptu road improvement projects, weather/seasonal road closures, etc that the OEM unit would fail miserably at informing of or providing useful and actionable data to the user concerning. Further, ever try voice commands with these integrated units? What a cludge! If ever you're frustrated with Google Assistant/Siri/Alexa et al, remember there are far more frustrating systems out there... SYNC being one of them.

I haven't found cell phones that reliable determining routes as apposed to in car or portable GPS's and have seen them all pick different routes. :headscratch:  :shrug:  I would think cell phones should have the most current info, but do really crazy directions. :sad:

 

Paul

A few more variables to identify and investigate here before broadly generalizing the cellular (mobile) solutions. It's been my experience that while the mobile option, like Google Maps, offer the most expeditious route based on algorithmic data, it does also provide the ability to choose from [usually] 2 more potential routes, complete with variances in ETA and road conditions for the user/traveler to select from or even modify. Perhaps you're not familiar with that feature or haven't explored this further?

Though, I will say for empathetic anecdote, there was a time Google Maps took me through a farmers field, indicating a viable pathway to avoid traffic congestion on a heavily traveled arterial -- it was most definitely not as my vehicle (Honda Fit at the time) became more a plow on the muddy and rutted "road". This has been far and few between and was several years ago, so I'd chock it up to say continuous improvements have been made to this relatively new option on an equally new platform. I will also say that these connected mobile solution also frequently invite user feedback and data submission to improve the reliability and validity of data used, more than can be said of the OEM NAV. I'll take my chances with this over an outdated map that knows far less than a real-time, connected system.

Personally I much rather use the built in nav especially on longer road trips rather than tying up my phone, letting it cook itself running nav plus whatever else, etc.. The ~$50 eBay cost every other year or even once a year is worth it IMHO. Plus having accurate speed limit displays is nice, not to mention at least in my neck of the woods there has been a lot of new construction and new roads lately. If I had Android Auto available I would readily change my mind but without any easy way with Sync 2 to fully integrate a phone's nav into the audio system, the convenience of the built in nav is worth it to me to do the regular updates.

 

 

A device with features that are designed to be used -- use them. Perhaps not placing the phone continuously in direct sun? I've placed mine in the cupholder at times to avoid the perils of heat. Get creative: look into a device with better thermals/more efficient processing, craft a shroud, etc. It's possible.

Google Maps, for one, now has the speed limit of the currently traveled roadway displayed within it's interface --  no longer a plus for the SYNC unit. Additionally, a fee-free real-time traffic and road condition alert system whereas the SYNC solution is yet another fee-based option from a satellite radio provider -- nickle 'n' dime, every time. Furthermore, smartphone options like Google Maps are continually updated with data garnered from a multitude of sources and likely far more up-to-date than the static database of these once-every-so-often "A cards". Logic.

Again, proof in pudding of how integrated fails. Reliance upon the OEM to implement and continue to support an ever-changing ecosystem of platforms and features -- they don't and won't, but encourage you to replace the entire vehicle with an albeit pricey ($2,000+) NAV option that, as aforementioned, is dated by the time it hits production and isn't supported long after. Not to mention the possibility of a failure in the system necessitating replacement/repair. Now, it makes that $700+ top tier phone that you want to baby look far more practical, efficient and useful.

To each their own, but it's very hard to make a valid case for factory NAV units. What's more frustrating is the deep integration of all the various other vehicle functions that make replacing/upgrading with an aftermarket unit virtually impossible. You don't want to know what it cost and the trouble I went through just to add A2DP bluetooth audio streaming to my former 2004 Lexus LX470. It has bluetooth hands-free for voice calls, but no factory possibility of A2DP outside of a thankfully existent 3rd-party solution that, again, entailed a great expense for what the feature is and invasive installation.

Looking forward to the day, if ever we see it, where integrated vehicle infotainment is nothing but a mirror/dumb terminal for our evermore capable portable devices. Though, that's not in the manufacturers immediate [financial] interest so...

In-dash, integrated OEM Nav units are antiquated by the time they make production anymore. Far less costly and more feature-filled are smartphone options that it boggles the mind why anyone would opt, no less PAY such an exorbitant/extortionate fee, for the OEM update, time and time over at that...

and dammit, there should be a Back heater too - my ass is warm "butt" my back is cold.

IMHO

I believe the C-MAX seat heaters include the lumbar. My SEL appears to anyway...

I see you mention you bought it a year and a half ago -- it's a 2013, assuming used. What was it's history before you took ownership? Without knowing the previous owner, abuse/neglect may be a potential cause for this uncommon issue...

From my experience and observation with the heated seats in this car:

Level 1: comfortably warm.

Level 2: quickly warms and then HOT, especially when going commando.

Level 3-5: 3rd degree burns.

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Been pleased with kit from Exogear/Exomount for phones. Haven't tried their tablet mounts, but they make 'em.

Hmm... may find a reliable shop and have mine checked as well. Make sense that the mounts would go one-after-another as torsional stress would increases on those remaining intact.