djc Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Judge in NY denies Ford motion to stop lawsuit over Fusion and C-max mpg advertising claims, so may go to trial: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-16/ford-faces-trial-on-mpg-estimates-as-judge-refuses-to-toss-suit (Open trial might help answer that common question: "what were they thinking?") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Smith Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 they sent a couple reimbursement checks to current owners at the time. Isn't that enough penalty... Didn't they end up paying out over 20 million in goodwill to current owners? So we need to waste taxpayers money to make the lawyers richer? high mileage daddy and C-MaxSea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) they sent a couple reimbursement checks to current owners at the time. Isn't that enough penalty... Didn't they end up paying out over 20 million in goodwill to current owners? So we need to waste taxpayers money to make the lawyers richer? Maybe not if there was fraud. So, I guess we should eliminate/change the judicial system so we save taxpayers money. It matters not what lawyers get. The judge ruled on Ford's arguments to dismiss. Did you read what the judge says. It's quite lengthy. Many of those same facts he quoted were discussed here. So, apparently the judge believes there is merit and the case is not frivolous and without merit. It is possible that Ford's payments fairly compensate owners. It's also possible that Ford will win the case. Maybe owners will get no more $ but Ford will have to pay the lawyers (their % of the say $20 million). All speculation. But unless one brings cases like this to the courts, how does one keeps corporations "honest". It's just hard for me to believe that someone in Ford's management did not know that the 47 mpg for the Fusion was a stretch and applying it to the C-Max an even further stretch (even though permitted under EPA rules). I laughed every time I watched those early C-Max "Silhouette" commercials where the emphasis was: C-Max beats Prius V in mpg. I've stated this many times: where are Ford's checks and balances, corporate governance, and ethics. Edited November 18, 2015 by Plus 3 Golfer jdbob and hybridbear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Smith Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 the C-max and Prius wagon are pretty close in MPG but in creature comforts, interior quality and fun to drive its kicks its butt here are two links from fuelly. one fore the prius and one for cmax non energi mpg pretty closehttp://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/prius_vhttp://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/c-max?engineconfig_id=341&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=1203 Car makers have been making claims that "X product is better than Y product" for decades... So I don't see any case in that. Yes someone screwed the pooch on the mileage. but is this forum not living proof that the car can easily attain the mileage that ford claimed. I've gotten most of my tanks in the high 40's and one at 50... and the only thing i've done is have my tires inflated to 40 psi and not drive like an a@#hole Of course what I get in VA will be different in CA or Texas, or Florida. and at winter time VS summer... No I don't ant to abolish the judicial system(there are items i'd love to see reformed, but thats not for this forum). and I would think that if the feds though that ford was doing something malicious it woudl have been on it like white on rice. Years ago.... And yes in the long run, the lawyers will come out winners. C-MaxSea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hybridbear Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Did you read what the judge says. It's quite lengthy. Many of those same facts he quoted were discussed here. So, apparently the judge believes there is merit and the case is not frivolous and without merit.Do you have a link? I'd like to read what the judge says. The article linked above doesn't include a lengthy statement from the judge. The other articles that I've read on the subject also didn't have a length statement from the judge. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Apparently, the judges ruling was removed from a plantiffs attorney website as I can't find it now. Use the reference to the case number at the bottom of the Bloomberg link to search for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high mileage daddy Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I for one bought my Ford C-max because it was a hybrid yes but, my second reason was that it was built here state side. So for me the point about advertised MPG is moot. I still could not get just over 600 miles per tank full in a Focus. C-MaxSea and obob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Apparently, the judges ruling was removed from a plantiffs attorney website as I can't find it now. Use the reference to the case number at the bottom of the Bloomberg link to search for it.A little more searching and I found it again (although it was not the same website).See the attachment below. Ford Fusion Judges ruling.pdf Edited November 21, 2015 by Plus 3 Golfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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