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Fog lights / Retrofit
Posted 22 October 2012 - 01:33 PM
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 04:06 PM
Posted 23 October 2012 - 05:36 PM
This was looking straight up through the hole on the passenger side, and could be a connector for fog lights:
Otherwise there is not much going on behind the grills:
Edited by CNCGeek, 23 October 2012 - 05:37 PM.
Posted 23 October 2012 - 06:04 PM
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:41 PM
Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:02 PM
I was able to pry mostly off the driver side plastic grill and took a photo (attached) of those connectors but without further examination cannot tell what they are. My parts person informed me yesterday that there are several different body control modules but I didn't get exactly what the differences are. For example, is there only one BCM or SE models ... but then what about SE options such as heated seats, power hatch, etc. The Ford parts site indicates only one, however as you probably know, that site doesn't give complete part numbers. I don't know anyone yet who can enable me to access the Ford/Motorcraft site which does have complete numbers.
Just to save keystrokes, here's a link the same question I posted on a Ford Technician site:
From peering into the bumper cover (photo attached), I did see that it does have the round shape to accommodate foglight mounting.
I've attached a diagram from the Ford site which includes what Ford calls a wiring jumper harness. I would guess from this diagram that the harness attaches on the driver side but since it is not very detailed, I don't know for sure. The price of about $12 minus any dealer discount would almost make it worth it to order and have a look.
I think removing the shroud and the non-fog grills, as well as having a jumper harness in hand would give us a better idea of the situation. The issue regarding the electronics and body control module is another, perhaps more important problem. If no dealer is willing to 're-flash' the module or even install a different module, I don't think I'd compromise my warranty but welcome any comments.
Finally, here's a link to a rather exhaustive fog light install into a 2012 Focus-S, which involved the BCM, wiring harnesses, etc.
Of course, if all this would cost $500 or $1,000, I probably would not go for it. The grills themselves list for $91 ea.
Just to add fuel to the fire, in Europe you can have HID Xenon lights. These can be purchased online from various auction and non-auction sites. Would this install be impossible too? There are various resistors, capacitors which can trick the BCM into thinking is has the voltage of Standard halogen bulbs. But what about the amperage spike each time the HID bulb ignites? So many questions and as yet, few answers but this is the consequence of being an early-adopter ...
Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:06 AM
Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:37 AM
The official parts with approximate list prices include:
Plastic grills $91 each
Wire jumper $12
lights themselves $62 each
This doesn't include labor, if you can't diy and can find someone who will, as well as I have yet to check if the particular fuse holder has any wiring behind it.
Obviously, many of these parts can be found online at various sites, as well as dealer parts departments who may offer a discount.
If any of you folks who are interested could get specific info. on whether the different body control modules actually matter, that is, is the difference between them the inclusion of additional features such as foglights, heated seats, power lift gate or is there really only one BCM for the SE version?
I don't want to wear out my parts guy.
Thanks and I'll post actual part numbers later.
Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:39 AM
Posted 24 October 2012 - 11:36 AM
Lamp assembly 4F9Z-15200-AA (need quantity 2)
Wire jumper FV6Z-15K867-A
Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:59 PM
I live chatted with a Fordparts.com person just now and gave them three different VINs, two from SELs, to determine if there actually are different BCMs. The person came up with the same BCM, part number DM5Z-19A561-B, regardless of VIN.
Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:40 PM
'I personally went into the fleet version i have of Ford. The fog lamp equipt version of your ride shows an internal, integrated, fog lamp relay inside the BCM. This relay is left out of the non fog lamp equipt BCM'
I guess I check with my parts person again and get a price and maybe a part number too.
Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:59 PM
Also what's the wire jumper for?
Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:35 PM
Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:53 PM
Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:46 AM
The manual mentions that all electronics on the car run off the same battery pack as the drive train. Considering the amount of power the HID uses, would you be negatively impacting Hybrid mileage if you were using HID Xenon?
Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:14 AM
I'm not an engineer but from what I've read, HIDs take a lot of amps to ignite but then use only 35 watts each bulb or so.
I mentioned HIDs because:
A) One can get them in Europe (though they have neither the Hybrid nor the Energi models yet)
B) I've seen photos from the 2011 Detroit auto show in which an Energi model had the HIDs equipped (photo attached). Granted, this was an autoshow model and since that show, Ford also canned the Grand C-Max but I've seen discussions in other forums about the desire for the HIDs specifically on the Energi model to save electricity.
C) I've wanted them on a vehicle I've owned since the late 1980s but have yet to be successful for a variety of reasons. I also don't want to hack into the headlight, cut the reflector and glue-in the HID units which are readily available everywhere and perhaps have trouble with vehicle inspections, alignment, warranty, etc.
Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:22 AM
My hope is that Ford will introduce an accessory foglight kit which will include whatever electronic black box(es) that is necessary, similar to what they've done for one of the F-150 models. Unfortunately, since I don't think C-Max sales will ever come close to F-150 sales, demand might not warrant the cost to design/manufacture such a kit.
Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:24 PM
In the European Focus, the driver fog grill has one of the 'points' or 'corner' of the grill at the lower left of the bumper and the other 'point' at the upper right. The C-Max is exactly the opposite, one corner at the top left and the other corner at the lower right. (All descriptions is if you are located in the driver seat). They each have three 'fins' or ridges as well.
The reason I mention this weirdness is that there are less expensive grills out there, and even ones which include LED DRLs.
Check it out, search for
FORD FOCUS FOG GRILL LEFT HAND SIDE USED
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