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My 2013 Ford C-Max Energi Trans Issues Solved
ncsugrad2002 reacted to rowekmr for a topic
First I want to thank Stratosurfer and Snowstorm and all else who have answered my questions and didn't mind me jumping on their thread to get some clarification. I have owned a 2013 Fusion Energi that I gave my parents that didn't have any issues. I have bought and sold a few Energis mainly 2013-2014's and didn't have any issues with drivetrains until I got this 2013 C-Max Energi with 106k miles from auction. I bought it sight unseen after looking up the Autocheck that showed dealership visits that I thought were good maintenance but now I know at least the last one was for transmission and hence why it was probably put in auction. When it arrived it drove in EV around lot and didn't notice anything until I forced ICE by putting it in EV later and pressing the accelerator pedal while in neutral and the gas engine started in high idle and sounded like marbles were loose in engine/trans. Because of that I drove it only short distances in EV and only difference I could tell was during regen braking I could hear a louder than normal whine. I then drove it in EV later mode and with gas engine in normal driving I could only detect more noises with window down at high idle in traffic (HVAC operation). In normal driving esp cruising down highway I really couldn't tell the difference especially if I had passengers/radio/cell phone talk. At this point I went on Youtube and did Google search and found the most information in this forum. I took the car to Ford for recall check, oil change and request to check drive train noise trans TSB (I printed them out) and what the service writer told me was that i need transmission. They of course gave me the 7K+ estimate for new trans then I started to look at surrounding dealership prices for new trans prices which hovered in the mod 4k's with my pricing. I went to the parts guy at original Ford and he found a reman that was 3900. I then took that part # then went to other dealership and found the lowest price at 3300 with new part warranty. Mistake #1 I didn't buy that one. The Ford dealership where I have an account at I met the tech who said he does side jobs and would R/R my trans and correct any issues encountered plus fresh fluids. I started looking at parts yards with car-parts.com and using the VIN# of donor. This method seemed to show that trans from 2013-2016 will fit. It wasn't until I used 2017 VIN's that I could see a change i part #'s. I tried to get a 2016 trans which many said had updates that addressed the bearing issues. I also found that in the production of 2016 trans they were divided in the build dates of 2015 with some made up to a date then the ones build after a date. In the meanwhile I asked tech to split trans and check the issues. He found multiple bearing failures including main shaft. He said he did not feel it would be worth it to replace all. I listened and continued the trans search. I found my 2016 trans with 55k miles and got it for 1000 plus 300 for 3 years parts and labor warranty at $55 per hour.I drove and picked up the transmission and noticed immediately it wasn't on a skid which was an indicator of future problems. I had then load it on a skid then in the back of the pick up bed with fork lift and I notice a tab broken off. I took pic and sent it to tech that said it was just a lifting tab so I strapped it down and drove back the 5 hours (11 hours round trip) during the beginning of the COVID pandemic. Once I got it to tech house he took it off with a cherry picker did I mention the trans weighs more than 400# and isn't something I would want to move around myself. A few days later he called and said it was dropped on the side and had a crack in case, deformed test port and the pump was broken off. Long story short I wasted my time getting that trans and began looking for another. Fortunately I got a full refund and didn't have to bring the transmission back. I was VERY thankful for them for understanding. Then I began to look at 2013 trans which were more plentiful at yards but none with low miles and the ones with mid miles (more than my car) were close to and over 2K! Then I called the dealerships about the 3300 reman and now it was increased to mid to high 4k's. Maybe Ford made an adjustment to prices to adjust for demand...mines LOL! I went back to looking at used trans and found a 2005 trans with 89k at LKQ for 1030 my price that they delivered to my local yard and I picked it up and later brought back the bad trans for 75 core deposit. My tech remove the subframe and raised the car from the engine/trans. He checked the exterior of trans, flushed fluid and installed it and did any software updates. He had to do an alignment and recharge the AC then test drove it to check it all out. FInal cost was 1030 for used trans and 1200 labor, fluids 40 and I needed a new battery at 135. Well I picked it up today and will try to drive/enjoy the new life in the car. I hope to show that there are options to the 7K that Ford will quote but I realize my trans is also used but it has a 6 month warranty. In hindsight I should have paid the 225 for 3 years parts/labor warranty but had issues paying almost 25% for warranty but the labor for these trans is considerable.1 point -
Pcm location
C-MaxA2 reacted to plus 3 golfer for a topic
OK. I wonder if the car was ever driven through high water as the PCM box is fairly low. Can you get the diagnostic trouble codes? I believe Autozone will read the codes. Does the AC work and then just quit and not blow cold air or are you saying that when the car goes into limp mode the AC quits. Does the fan blow? Have you checked fuses for the AC? Who told you to replace the PCM? If you are tech savvy, for about $30 you can get the FORScan app for smartphones and an adapter to connect to your OBDII port. The App is a scanner / diagnostic tool for Ford vehicles. Search FORScan on the site for many of my posts on it. http://forscan.org/home.html1 point -
Pcm location
Elliotmontalvo0203 reacted to plus 3 golfer for a topic
Remove the left front wheel (driver's side) and the inner fender plastic shield. Then, look to the front of the car. The PCM is behind a cover. Remove the cover and you will see several large connectors on the bottom of the PCM. Look for any water intrusion. IIRC, some have had connector corrosion and some may have had water enter the PCM. Clean everything especially connectors. Put back together and see if the issue goes away. If not, you can buy used PCM that match your PCM part number. You may need to have the module reprogrammed by the dealer or shop. You may be able to buy a used one (at a higher price) that will be programmed to your VIN. Do you know the DTCs? Sounds like the car is going into "limp" mode because of a fail safe condition. It could simply be bad connections. How many miles on car? Any front end accidents? Bottom engine cover in place? Where do you live? Original owner? Is your 12 V battery in good health?1 point