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My wife and I both have CMAX's and she never drove much before she retired as her job was about a mile from the house.  Now I pretty much drive her everywhere and her car sits in the driveway sometimes for weeks especially as a result of the pandemic.

My car does most of the driving and even then I drive probably at most 5000 miles a year.

So yea this would piss me off.   They need a way to scale in miles driven for BEVs and PHEVs and leave hybrids alone.

Rav4 is a bit of a conundrum for me.  I appreciate all the options but I absolutely hate Toyota styling with all the sharp lines.  Mirai, Prius, and Rav4 just turn me off.

I want to like the FEH/FEHP but as has been mentioned the insides look cheap.

So as a result I am keeping my eye on the BEV vehicles.  A lot of things are coming out over the next couple of years.  I am hoping battery prices come down.  My CMAX is doing fine so I can wait for now.

Will the Escapes being released now be upgraded to support wireless charging and... wireless carplay?

Or will you have to buy a 2021 model to get that stuff.

3 hours ago, homestead said:

Or you could just buy a Prius? ?

Except  it is a butt ugly car with a terrible sloping hatch.  

Well he wouldn’t commit to whether it’s a worthy competitor to the RAV4 or the CRV.

OMG no wireless charging that is a real downer if not a potential deal breaker.  Yea I know I could probably get a wireless charging pad but seriously.

I hate to say this, but for the moment I’m smitten by the Cybertruck...

If Musk would only build a HYBRID version I’d have already reserved one.

It may pass, not many Tesla Chargers in West Texas...

if only he would build something that looks like an CUV with a full vertical hatch and not another something that looks like a sedan.

How about ground clearance & turning radius.

How did the braking feel?

+500 on the turning radius

It also sounds like Sync 4 will not be available till the 2021 models.  I really wish Mazda CX5 came in a hybrid.  There is no way I would pay for a Lincoln Corsair given their crazy pricing.

Not having a spare hasn't been a problem for me with 238k miles, a few screw/nail holes fixed, but no flats. :)  At the beginning I thought about getting a spare , but never did.

 

Paul

honestly can't remember the last time I had a flat.  Has to be at least 30 years.  Probably more.

I thought about jumping to the escape but the interior paneling is kind of wonky and I hear on the next year model they will have sync4 which supports wireless data stuff.

If Mazda CX5 had a hybrid model I might jump as well.

I am still waiting for complete specs specifically turning radius.

Thanks for the explanation.

I am assuming there is some hardware at the wheels that is not needed on non hybrid cars.

Looks like several 2020 Escape preliminary reviews appeared on or around Sept 19.  This one at Forbes looks at hybrid and compares tech used in different Escape hybrid generations:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2019/09/19/2020-ford-escape-hybrid-the-original-american-hybrid-is-back-with-room-for-a-spare/#78e50d76d25b

 

This Consumer Reports video first look at the 2.0L: version they rented is generally quite positive; Escape discussion is about 8 minutes starting at minute 7:

 

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars-driving/talking-cars-222-california-emissions-ford-escape-suv/

 

It appears the main hybrid contenders in this segment will be RAV4, Escape, and upcoming Honda CR-V.   The claimed 30 mile range of the plug-in hybrid sounds good.

 

I didn't see numbers for turning radius, but this review says  "Steering is nicely weighted, offering predictable feedback and an impressive turning radius which always helps in urban environments and parking garages." :

 

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/19/2020-ford-escape-hybrid-first-drive/?icid=autoblog|trend|2020-ford-escape-hybrid-first-drive-|-more-frugal,-but-still-fun

Thanks for the first clue.  I am hoping it is better than the CMAX and that the energy recovering braking of the hybrid does not penalize the turning radius.

I have been anxiously waiting to hear some test drive tell me what the turning radius is.  I am pretty disappointed on the CMAX value relative to its size.

Lincoln is supposed to have a Ford Escape Hybrid equivalent for next year.  Anybody have any better links for that than the google.

I want to hear some road test specs.  The first car comes off the line in Mid August so I expect we will hear something by the end of August.

My big nuisance complaint is the turning radius.  I am pessimistic they will improve it.  I also would like a bit more room storage wise.

I will most likely wait for the holiday auto shows to see that and the RAV4/CRV/Escape all together.  

The plugin option is something I am on the fence about.

I don't like the cheap look of the Rav4 info display and the constant stupid design lines Toyota seems to come up with but the other specs are good.

I need to see the Hybrid info on the CRV to compare as well.

The best thing is the CMAX works for me so there is no rush.

What is the quote from this well known place for the same warranty:  https://andersonandkoch-ford-warranty.com

I found the pin in small print somewhere in the paragraph text.

I got that as well. The file a claim form at the website asks for a claimant ID which I see on the post card but it also asks for a pin which I don’t see.

Anybody know where to find the pin? Is it something like the last part of the vin or something?

Yea I am excited to check out the Hybrid CRV, Rav4, and Escape vehicles at this falls autoshow.

What I want to know is the turning radius!  The CMAX wide turning radius diameter of 38.4'  has always annoyed me.

The CRV is 37.4'

The RAV4 is < 37.4'

CX5 is 36'

There are a number of places I barely make the turn on two lane roads.

So if you exit the car with the FOB in your pocket and close all the doors with the engine is still "running" it will honk twice to remind you the engine is still on?  Is this the behavior you are talking about?  The Prius used to just make one long annoying beep outside the car.

 

If you exit the car and close all the doors with the FOB -inside- the car with the engine running I -think- it will unlock one of the doors..driver side?

 

I had weird thing happen just the other day when I opened the passenger side door to get something in the glovebox and realized i wanted to close the panoramic glass shade so I reached over from passenger side to turn car on to accessory mode, closed the shade, pushed the button twice to turn car off (once for engine start and another for OFF right?) and although the display showed the lifetime mileage nothing was actually powering down - I got out of the car and the gauge cluster was still fully illuminated as if I had just started the car in accessory mode.  I had to go in the driver's side and turn the car fully on and then off in order to resume normal behavior.

I once ONCE did this.  I went a San Jose Sharks hockey game in the spring soon after I got the car and was not use to the double honk sound.  It was before dusk.  I walked away and went to the game.  When I came back I said to myself why are the headlights on.  The car was running the whole time but it did not kick the engine on till the sun went down and the auto headlights came on.  Needless to say very embarassing and I am sure glad it still had power.

Speaking of Sync 2, does anybody have the situation where the radio will switch to the phone and start playing music when the car starts up.

I am not sure whats triggering it as my car's radio was not previously switched to the iPhone and I was not playing music on my phone either.

I drove a Jeep Compass last week when I was in Chicago.  I hated it.  The engine would try to shut down at stop lights and the AC would go nuts.  Next it terrible acceleration  with the geared transmission versus the CVT and electric motors of the CMAX.

No way I would go to an Ecosport type of car.