SPL Tech Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Should get some good data on The Enterprise over the weekend. I finally dug out an OBD Pros interface I had and tried it out - it worked. But the freebie software that came with it is super simple and looks like its from the days of DOS. Found this program, downloaded it, and immediately started reading more data than I know what to do with! :) All sorts of temps including TFT, GPS data (even on my SE), all 4 tire pressures (to 0.1 PSI!) and tons of HVB, hybrid drive and electrical data. There are some very interesting values relating to battery charge/discharge in 4 modes of car operation - like cumulative discharge in Sleep mode. Might be some clues, or some kind of record, about 12V battery problems. Stay tuned. Its mind boggling how much data is flying around inside our carputers!What OBD port scanner device did you use with it? Is it Bluetooth or wifi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Some other tranny related temps are below (with TFT=136F, OT=37F): 144F = Generator Coil Temperature (GCLTEMP)149F = Motor Coil Temperature (MCLTEMP)100F = Generator Inverter Phase Temperature (G_PHTMP)111F = Motor Inverter Phase Temperature (M_PHTMP) Don't know any codes or formulas for them, though. Again, this was after a couple of hours at about 55 mph with OT rising to 37F.The codes are here. http://i-fix.us/Torque-Pro-Settings-for-Ford-Fusion-and-C-MAX-Energi.php ptjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowStorm Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 What OBD port scanner device did you use with it? Is it Bluetooth or wifi?I have this item (USB) bought a number of years ago. Would like to get a wireless one - will most likely go with wifi (just my preference as I know a lot more about the technical side). I had a problem with loss of communications twice while connected to the C-Max but no idea yet whether its was the software, computer, adapter or what. If you go with wifi and the free software I'm using, be sure to check this page about wifi setup. This page talks about adapters. C-MaxSea and ptjones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I have an ELM327 WIFI adapter that I ordered from Amazon nearly two years ago that looks like this one. I leave it plugged in most of the time. It works on my IPad with Dash Command and Engine Link and it works with ForScan on my windows laptop. Apparently an Android based version of ForScan is being developed. Since my new smartphone is Android based, I hope ForScan releases a Beta version soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hybridbear Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 So here's the transmission data from this morning (OAT=Outside Air Temp, ECT=Engine Coolant Temp, TFT=Transmission Fluid Temp):OAT ECT TFT Speed 46 48 47 0 In Garage 10 144 63 0 4 miles from home 16 180 103 50 Another 18 miles at (mostly) 65 mph 18 135 110 64 Another 6 miles in EV (downhill!) 27 180 127 64 After about an hour at 65 mph 32 181 128 55 After about an hour at 55 mph 39 189 136 55 About another hour at 55 mphSo TFT slowly kept rising to 136F with outside temps going from 10F to 39F. Engine cooled off in EV mode but not transmission - makes sense.This is about what I see. Do you have your grille blocked? Some other tranny related temps are below (with TFT=136F, OT=37F): 144F = Generator Coil Temperature (GCLTEMP)149F = Motor Coil Temperature (MCLTEMP)100F = Generator Inverter Phase Temperature (G_PHTMP)111F = Motor Inverter Phase Temperature (M_PHTMP) Don't know any codes or formulas for them, though. Again, this was after a couple of hours at about 55 mph with OT rising to 37F.These temps are also very similar to what we observe after long stretches of freeway driving. PT - I think something isn't right with your car or with your XGauge code. Do you have access to a laptop that could run FORScan and a bluetooth or wifi scanner? Then you could verify the data with FORScan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted March 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 This is about what I see. Do you have your grille blocked? These temps are also very similar to what we observe after long stretches of freeway driving. PT - I think something isn't right with your car or with your XGauge code. Do you have access to a laptop that could run FORScan and a bluetooth or wifi scanner? Then you could verify the data with FORScan.I'm working on that, but I used the mechanical method of testing, put my hand on Trans Cooler Lines coming out of Trans, they were cool and Trans was hot. I guess someone else could try to put their hands on Trans Cooler lines, but It looks difficult without taking bottom cover off. If you had a IR temp gun you could point it at the lines from the top of ICE compartment. Thanks :) Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowStorm Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) This is about what I see. Do you have your grille blocked?No grille blocks. Here's a graph of about 80 minutes on "country roads" - occasional stops/turns but mostly 55 mph.Parameters are (top to bottom - approx.) Red = Engine coolant Magenta = Motor Coil Yellow = Generator Coil Green = Transmission Fluid Blue = Generator Phase Purple = Motor Phase White = Outside Air Edited March 1, 2015 by SnowStorm C-MaxSea and ptjones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Nice work SnowStorm! Interesting that it looks like you never got up to operating temp of 202*F My guess is that you are losing 1-2 MPG by not having Grill Covers. WT doesn't fluctuate as much with Grill Covers on and Shutters don't open until 210*F at 50mph or less. Remember that any heat lost until the shutters open is wasted gas. It looks like your max TFT was 140-145*F. My FORD Dealer can't see my car until next Monday, interesting that they said they can work on the Trans even though they aren't a Electric Dealer. I would like to figure this out sooner ;) Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL Tech Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 I have an ELM327 WIFI adapter that I ordered from Amazon nearly two years ago that looks like this one. I leave it plugged in most of the time. It works on my IPad with Dash Command and Engine Link and it works with ForScan on my windows laptop. Apparently an Android based version of ForScan is being developed. Since my new smartphone is Android based, I hope ForScan releases a Beta version soon. Do you know what protocol I am looking for? For example, one of the scanners I am looking at says: Latest Multi-Protocol Support: ISO 9141-2 (5 baud init, 10.4 kbaud)ISO 14230-4 KWP (5 baud init, 10.4 kbaud)ISO 14230-4 KWP (fast init, 10.4 kbaud)ISO 15765-4 CAN (11 bit ID, 500 kbaud)ISO 15765-4 CAN (29 bit ID, 500 kbaud)ISO 15765-4 CAN (11 bit ID, 250 kbaud)ISO 15765-4 CAN (29 bit ID, 250 kbaud)SAE J1939SAE J1850 PWM (Found on many Ford vehicles)SAE J1850 VPW (Found on many GM vehicles) No idea what the CMAX uses though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 The C-Max uses the ISO 15765 CAN protocol which I believe is mandatory starting a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SStoner Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Looks like ISO 15765-4 has two different bits and bauds that can be mixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowStorm Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Paul, more driving this weekend. TFT went up to 163F with 65-70F ambient after driving for over an hour at 55 mph. (ECT was also up to 190-210F range.) Similar temps after another hour+ at 60-65 mph. When ambient dropped into the 40s, TFT stabilized at 145-150F range. Sure seems to be influenced by ambient temperature. ptjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Smith Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Hey folks... just got done with a monster trip 12 hours one way to Orlando...started in Northern VA to orlando then Melbourne FL, then Orlando, then Naples, back to orlando and just got home today in Northern VA I was just running by myself. but I had 4 model boats, two golf bags, adult beverages, tools, table, chair, ez-up tent, clothes the car was full to the belt line both ways and in fact came back with more stuff than I left with... I could have carried a passenger but it would not have been comfortable. temps ranged from 30's to mid 80's 43 hours 7 minutes total drive time2466.4 miles39.6 mpg295 EV miles62.3 Gallons. thats an average speed of 57 mph. I set the eco cruise anywhere from 65-75 mph depending on conditions/traffic based on the gps indicated speed. no coasting/gliding, the occasional draft... but basically drove it like a normal ICE. there were a few around town(below 45) miles, but not many. Id venture to say maybe 200... for the duration of the trip I did log trans temp, coolant temp and ambient air temp, speed, rpm if anyone is interested I can email the files once I get them cleaned up I still can't get my pics deleted. I noticed with the ac OFF temps for the trans got up to around 180 and engine coolant around 208. butonce i put the AC on, both temps dropped, since the shutters were open... never saw any trans temps above 180. I'll clean up the data some. but if anyone wants the raw CSV files, shoot me an email mjs82 at georgetown dot edu and I'll send them should be 10K lines of data... hybridbear and ptjones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Smith Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 ok here is the cut/paste of a trip from DC to The villages in florida. data has been displayed in 10 minute incriments. in real time it sampled about every 5 seconds....eco cruise set to around 65. no ac use.. no pulse glide. just driving like a normal ice trip started @ 3pm on wednesday and ended @ 1030 am on Thursday had a few breaks/naps/fuel GPS Time Ambient air temp(°F) Speed (OBD)(mph) trans temp(Deg) Engine Coolant Temperature(°F) Engine RPM(rpm) - 46 16 110 124 0 - 46 18 110 124 0 Wed Feb 25 15:41:53 EST 2015 46 21 110 124 0 Wed Feb 25 15:50:04 EST 2015 46 55 119 178 0 Wed Feb 25 16:00:33 EST 2015 46 64 133 196 1839 Wed Feb 25 16:10:03 EST 2015 48 66 141 199 0 Wed Feb 25 16:20:11 EST 2015 48 66 145 194 2454 Wed Feb 25 16:30:03 EST 2015 50 24 147 187 0 Wed Feb 25 16:40:03 EST 2015 52 35 149 181 2337 Wed Feb 25 16:50:03 EST 2015 52 23 152 181 1984 Wed Feb 25 17:00:03 EST 2015 48 66 154 196 0 Wed Feb 25 17:10:03 EST 2015 50 65 154 198 2045 Wed Feb 25 17:20:03 EST 2015 48 57 154 198 0 Wed Feb 25 17:30:03 EST 2015 48 66 154 196 1873 Wed Feb 25 17:40:03 EST 2015 50 66 155 198 1951 Wed Feb 25 17:50:02 EST 2015 48 65 155 196 2023 Wed Feb 25 18:00:08 EST 2015 46 65 152 187 0 Wed Feb 25 18:10:03 EST 2015 46 66 150 196 1875 Wed Feb 25 18:20:03 EST 2015 46 66 148 194 1922 Wed Feb 25 18:30:03 EST 2015 46 65 148 196 2151 Wed Feb 25 18:40:01 EST 2015 45 66 147 198 2042 Wed Feb 25 18:50:01 EST 2015 45 65 146 190 2303 Wed Feb 25 19:00:01 EST 2015 46 62 146 194 0 Wed Feb 25 19:10:01 EST 2015 45 65 147 194 2025 Wed Feb 25 19:20:01 EST 2015 45 65 146 194 2062 Wed Feb 25 19:30:03 EST 2015 45 65 148 199 2046 Wed Feb 25 19:40:03 EST 2015 43 65 147 196 2203 Wed Feb 25 19:50:03 EST 2015 43 65 146 189 2241 Wed Feb 25 20:00:03 EST 2015 43 65 145 194 2132 Wed Feb 25 20:10:03 EST 2015 41 65 144 190 2312 Wed Feb 25 20:20:03 EST 2015 39 56 142 196 0 Wed Feb 25 20:30:03 EST 2015 36 52 138 185 1874 Wed Feb 25 20:40:03 EST 2015 36 62 137 185 1990 Wed Feb 25 20:50:28 EST 2015 36 67 135 187 2044 Wed Feb 25 20:58:36 EST 2015 36 0 132 171 0 Wed Feb 25 21:43:10 EST 2015 36 0 116 126 0 Wed Feb 25 21:50:00 EST 2015 39 66 119 185 2141 Wed Feb 25 22:00:00 EST 2015 37 66 127 194 2142 Wed Feb 25 22:10:00 EST 2015 37 65 131 194 2139 Wed Feb 25 22:20:00 EST 2015 39 65 132 187 2217 Wed Feb 25 22:40:10 EST 2015 36 66 129 185 2213 Wed Feb 25 22:50:04 EST 2015 37 66 130 196 2304 Wed Feb 25 23:00:19 EST 2015 39 66 134 199 2353 Wed Feb 25 23:10:00 EST 2015 39 66 136 198 2424 Wed Feb 25 23:20:05 EST 2015 39 66 137 201 2146 Wed Feb 25 23:30:04 EST 2015 41 65 139 199 2017 Wed Feb 25 23:40:25 EST 2015 41 66 140 198 2112 Wed Feb 25 23:50:00 EST 2015 41 66 141 194 2256 Thu Feb 26 00:06:00 EST 2015 46 65 137 196 2988 Thu Feb 26 00:10:02 EST 2015 43 65 137 194 2528 Thu Feb 26 00:20:02 EST 2015 43 65 136 194 2134 Thu Feb 26 00:30:02 EST 2015 43 65 138 187 2427 Thu Feb 26 00:40:02 EST 2015 45 65 140 194 2160 Thu Feb 26 00:50:07 EST 2015 45 65 139 196 2310 Thu Feb 26 00:56:12 EST 2015 46 0 0 181 0 Thu Feb 26 04:50:50 EST 2015 66 0 80 118 1500 Thu Feb 26 05:00:00 EST 2015 41 66 104 187 900 Thu Feb 26 05:10:35 EST 2015 43 67 124 194 2076 Thu Feb 26 05:20:10 EST 2015 43 66 134 194 2015 Thu Feb 26 05:30:00 EST 2015 43 66 140 192 2264 Thu Feb 26 05:40:01 EST 2015 43 66 142 196 2081 Thu Feb 26 05:50:01 EST 2015 45 66 145 196 2054 Thu Feb 26 06:00:01 EST 2015 45 66 147 194 2107 Thu Feb 26 06:10:00 EST 2015 45 66 147 194 2241 Thu Feb 26 06:20:01 EST 2015 46 66 148 194 2066 Thu Feb 26 06:30:06 EST 2015 48 66 149 196 2017 Thu Feb 26 06:40:01 EST 2015 48 66 150 196 2070 Thu Feb 26 06:50:01 EST 2015 50 66 151 198 2087 Thu Feb 26 07:00:06 EST 2015 50 65 151 196 3009 Thu Feb 26 07:10:01 EST 2015 54 66 153 198 2069 Thu Feb 26 07:27:40 EST 2015 54 0 153 174 0 Thu Feb 26 07:30:00 EST 2015 54 0 153 167 0 Thu Feb 26 07:41:44 EST 2015 54 15 153 135 1494 Thu Feb 26 07:50:01 EST 2015 55 66 153 199 2181 Thu Feb 26 08:00:01 EST 2015 55 66 153 199 898 Thu Feb 26 08:10:01 EST 2015 57 62 153 192 2722 Thu Feb 26 08:20:01 EST 2015 57 65 153 199 2325 Thu Feb 26 08:30:02 EST 2015 57 54 153 196 0 Thu Feb 26 08:40:06 EST 2015 59 63 153 198 1946 Thu Feb 26 08:50:16 EST 2015 61 0 153 176 0 Thu Feb 26 09:00:01 EST 2015 63 65 153 196 1962 Thu Feb 26 09:10:01 EST 2015 61 16 153 194 0 Thu Feb 26 09:20:01 EST 2015 63 46 153 192 0 Thu Feb 26 09:30:00 EST 2015 63 48 153 180 2014 Thu Feb 26 09:40:00 EST 2015 64 65 153 199 2774 Thu Feb 26 09:50:00 EST 2015 66 0 153 190 0 Thu Feb 26 10:00:10 EST 2015 70 42 153 192 2362 Thu Feb 26 10:10:01 EST 2015 66 30 153 187 0 Thu Feb 26 10:20:01 EST 2015 70 52 153 196 1986 Thu Feb 26 10:27:15 EST 2015 70 0 153 172 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Smith Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 here is the data from my trip south in ten minute incriments 800+ miles eco cruise set to 65, a few breaks, fuel, naps, food, ect no AC no pulse glide.trop started at 340pm Wed and ended 1030 am thursday if anyone wants the the full excel for the tip down with data ever 5 seconds PM me...and I'll email... Time air speed trans coolant rpmWed Feb 25 15:41:53 EST 2015 46 21 110 124 0Wed Feb 25 15:50:04 EST 2015 46 55 119 178 0Wed Feb 25 16:00:33 EST 2015 46 64 133 196 1839Wed Feb 25 16:10:03 EST 2015 48 66 141 199 0Wed Feb 25 16:20:11 EST 2015 48 66 145 194 2454Wed Feb 25 16:30:03 EST 2015 50 24 147 187 0Wed Feb 25 16:40:03 EST 2015 52 35 149 181 2337Wed Feb 25 16:50:03 EST 2015 52 23 152 181 1984Wed Feb 25 17:00:03 EST 2015 48 66 154 196 0Wed Feb 25 17:10:03 EST 2015 50 65 154 198 2045Wed Feb 25 17:20:03 EST 2015 48 57 154 198 0Wed Feb 25 17:30:03 EST 2015 48 66 154 196 1873Wed Feb 25 17:40:03 EST 2015 50 66 155 198 1951Wed Feb 25 17:50:02 EST 2015 48 65 155 196 2023Wed Feb 25 18:00:08 EST 2015 46 65 152 187 0Wed Feb 25 18:10:03 EST 2015 46 66 150 196 1875Wed Feb 25 18:20:03 EST 2015 46 66 148 194 1922Wed Feb 25 18:30:03 EST 2015 46 65 148 196 2151Wed Feb 25 18:40:01 EST 2015 45 66 147 198 2042Wed Feb 25 18:50:01 EST 2015 45 65 146 190 2303Wed Feb 25 19:00:01 EST 2015 46 62 146 194 0Wed Feb 25 19:10:01 EST 2015 45 65 147 194 2025Wed Feb 25 19:20:01 EST 2015 45 65 146 194 2062Wed Feb 25 19:30:03 EST 2015 45 65 148 199 2046Wed Feb 25 19:40:03 EST 2015 43 65 147 196 2203Wed Feb 25 19:50:03 EST 2015 43 65 146 189 2241Wed Feb 25 20:00:03 EST 2015 43 65 145 194 2132Wed Feb 25 20:10:03 EST 2015 41 65 144 190 2312Wed Feb 25 20:20:03 EST 2015 39 56 142 196 0Wed Feb 25 20:30:03 EST 2015 36 52 138 185 1874Wed Feb 25 20:40:03 EST 2015 36 62 137 185 1990Wed Feb 25 20:50:28 EST 2015 36 67 135 187 2044Wed Feb 25 20:58:36 EST 2015 36 0 132 171 0Wed Feb 25 21:43:10 EST 2015 36 0 116 126 0Wed Feb 25 21:50:00 EST 2015 39 66 119 185 2141Wed Feb 25 22:00:00 EST 2015 37 66 127 194 2142Wed Feb 25 22:10:00 EST 2015 37 65 131 194 2139Wed Feb 25 22:20:00 EST 2015 39 65 132 187 2217Wed Feb 25 22:40:10 EST 2015 36 66 129 185 2213Wed Feb 25 22:50:04 EST 2015 37 66 130 196 2304Wed Feb 25 23:00:19 EST 2015 39 66 134 199 2353Wed Feb 25 23:10:00 EST 2015 39 66 136 198 2424Wed Feb 25 23:20:05 EST 2015 39 66 137 201 2146Wed Feb 25 23:30:04 EST 2015 41 65 139 199 2017Wed Feb 25 23:40:25 EST 2015 41 66 140 198 2112Wed Feb 25 23:50:00 EST 2015 41 66 141 194 2256Thu Feb 26 00:06:00 EST 2015 46 65 137 196 2988Thu Feb 26 00:10:02 EST 2015 43 65 137 194 2528Thu Feb 26 00:20:02 EST 2015 43 65 136 194 2134Thu Feb 26 00:30:02 EST 2015 43 65 138 187 2427Thu Feb 26 00:40:02 EST 2015 45 65 140 194 2160Thu Feb 26 00:50:07 EST 2015 45 65 139 196 2310Thu Feb 26 00:56:12 EST 2015 46 0 0 181 0Thu Feb 26 04:50:50 EST 2015 66 0 80 118 1500Thu Feb 26 05:00:00 EST 2015 41 66 104 187 900Thu Feb 26 05:10:35 EST 2015 43 67 124 194 2076Thu Feb 26 05:20:10 EST 2015 43 66 134 194 2015Thu Feb 26 05:30:00 EST 2015 43 66 140 192 2264Thu Feb 26 05:40:01 EST 2015 43 66 142 196 2081Thu Feb 26 05:50:01 EST 2015 45 66 145 196 2054Thu Feb 26 06:00:01 EST 2015 45 66 147 194 2107Thu Feb 26 06:10:00 EST 2015 45 66 147 194 2241Thu Feb 26 06:20:01 EST 2015 46 66 148 194 2066Thu Feb 26 06:30:06 EST 2015 48 66 149 196 2017Thu Feb 26 06:40:01 EST 2015 48 66 150 196 2070Thu Feb 26 06:50:01 EST 2015 50 66 151 198 2087Thu Feb 26 07:00:06 EST 2015 50 65 151 196 3009Thu Feb 26 07:10:01 EST 2015 54 66 153 198 2069Thu Feb 26 07:27:40 EST 2015 54 0 153 174 0Thu Feb 26 07:30:00 EST 2015 54 0 153 167 0Thu Feb 26 07:41:44 EST 2015 54 15 153 135 1494Thu Feb 26 07:50:01 EST 2015 55 66 153 199 2181Thu Feb 26 08:00:01 EST 2015 55 66 153 199 898Thu Feb 26 08:10:01 EST 2015 57 62 153 192 2722Thu Feb 26 08:20:01 EST 2015 57 65 153 199 2325Thu Feb 26 08:30:02 EST 2015 57 54 153 196 0Thu Feb 26 08:40:06 EST 2015 59 63 153 198 1946Thu Feb 26 08:50:16 EST 2015 61 0 153 176 0Thu Feb 26 09:00:01 EST 2015 63 65 153 196 1962Thu Feb 26 09:10:01 EST 2015 61 16 153 194 0Thu Feb 26 09:20:01 EST 2015 63 46 153 192 0Thu Feb 26 09:30:00 EST 2015 63 48 153 180 2014Thu Feb 26 09:40:00 EST 2015 64 65 153 199 2774Thu Feb 26 09:50:00 EST 2015 66 0 153 190 0Thu Feb 26 10:00:10 EST 2015 70 42 153 192 2362Thu Feb 26 10:10:01 EST 2015 66 30 153 187 0Thu Feb 26 10:20:01 EST 2015 70 52 153 196 1986Thu Feb 26 10:27:15 EST 2015 70 0 153 172 0 ptjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted June 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2015 Given recent Trans failure I can't recommend using Trans Heater Pad figuring it would only cause Trans to get warmer with decreased cooling area. I saw this with ICE heating pad . :) Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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