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There's a lot that has been discussed on these subjects. Bottom line your car seems to be operating normally. ;) You can control the use of ICE (internal combustion engine) and the High Voltage Battery to some extent with the throttle and your driving style - again much written on how to do it. Cold weather significantly affects operations as ICE will run to get up to a minimum operating temperature for emissions purposes and to maintain operating temperature. So, ICE will be charging the HVB much more on startup and short trips in colder weather and hence why the battery symbol might show near full a lot of the time. The normal operating range or State of Charge "SOC" of the HVB is generally between 40%- and 55%+ (not the battery symbol) of the installed 1.4 kWh capacity. Generally, regenerative braking or ICE must run conditions will charge the HVB above about 55 %. Use of EV+ can discharge the battery into the lower 30% range. The operating range of the HVB is limited so that the HVB will last a long time. When the battery symbol show full (including the tip), the HVB is at about 70% State of Charge . When the battery symbol shows near zero, the SOC is around 30%.

I think you are right #6G004 . http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121457663049?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82

My Sync services is free for 3 years. After 3 years, IIRC, it's $90 a year - what a bargain. :doh: Check ford owners website. Register with VIN and you should be able to find the expiration date of the Sync services. BTW, this is in the "Test Forum"

After looking in the Service Manual, the ECT looks like it might be the CHT. Here's a snip from the Service Manual of the CHT. In the second pic the top of the CHT looks like the top of the ECT. But who knows.

There is a Cylinder Head Temperature(CHT)sensor. It looks as if Fordparts labels it as a Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor (DY-1269). The CHT does not measure coolant temperature. It appears there is a second ECT in the cooling circuit (DY-1187). "The CHT sensor is installed in the cylinder head and measures the metal temperature. The CHT sensor provides complete engine temperature information and is used to infer coolant temperature." The CHT is used by the PCM to move the coolant temperature gauge into the "red" and initiate fail-safe cooling.

Exactly. If I sense dishonesty, I will "bait" them and treat them as "prey." Problem though there's a lot of consumers who "trust" manufacturers, dealers and so forth and believe they would never "deceive" the consumer. Caveat Emptor ;) Hope Ford / dealer comes "clean" and "takes care of" your issues kuklachica

The problem for me is the 5 cu. ft. needs to be compared with the rear seats up and with the ability to view approaching traffic from the rear. For me the loss of 5 cu. ft. of storage is significant as my guess is I will lose maybe 1/3 of my "usable" rear cargo area of the Hybrid in the Energi (say 6" out of 18" - will measure when car returns home :)). The Hybrid cargo area behind the rear seat is IIRC around 24.5 cu. ft. (pretty sure that is floor to ceiling). So, 5/24.5 is a loss of about 20%. Couple this with the loss of height to carry larger items and the Energi doesn't work for me as a "trip" vehicle.

2008 Rogue - The Hybrid hatch opening is taller by an inch or so. Volume is likely more in the Rogue. Yes, headroom should be the same in the Hybrid and Energi and the larger Energi HVB reduces rear cargo volume.

NO, cargo space is too limited in the Energi. I want a fuel efficient vehicle for trips. There isn't enough cargo space in the Energi for our black lab, 2 adults, luggage, and so forth. I won't obstruct the rear mirror view with stuff that blocks views out the glass. I barely have enough room in our Hybrid. The Energi with the raised hatch floor was a dealer killer. Also, I've carried several items like an LG front load washer and a 55" LCD TV (secured in a HomeDepot moving box) in a my Hybrid. These items wouldn't fit in my Rogue nor would they fit in an Energi. Headroom is the issue in both.

Go to fordparts.com and you will find it under cargo cover for the C-Max.

A little more searching and I found it again (although it was not the same website).See the attachment below. Ford Fusion Judges ruling.pdf

Apparently, the judges ruling was removed from a plantiffs attorney website as I can't find it now. Use the reference to the case number at the bottom of the Bloomberg link to search for it.

Maybe not if there was fraud. So, I guess we should eliminate/change the judicial system so we save taxpayers money. It matters not what lawyers get. The judge ruled on Ford's arguments to dismiss. Did you read what the judge says. It's quite lengthy. Many of those same facts he quoted were discussed here. So, apparently the judge believes there is merit and the case is not frivolous and without merit. It is possible that Ford's payments fairly compensate owners. It's also possible that Ford will win the case. Maybe owners will get no more $ but Ford will have to pay the lawyers (their % of the say $20 million). All speculation. But unless one brings cases like this to the courts, how does one keeps corporations "honest". It's just hard for me to believe that someone in Ford's management did not know that the 47 mpg for the Fusion was a stretch and applying it to the C-Max an even further stretch (even though permitted under EPA rules). I laughed every time I watched those early C-Max "Silhouette" commercials where the emphasis was: C-Max beats Prius V in mpg. I've stated this many times: where are Ford's checks and balances, corporate governance, and ethics.

Just saw the quote below in a Ford CSP. It appears that CA and MA have provisions to require certification from manufacturers for emissions recall. So no proof of repairs being done, no vehicle registration renewal. Based on VW data submitted to NHTSA of Jetta TDI sales data by states for MY 2009 through about 1/4 of MY 2012 (about 139,000 vehicles total), CA and MA account for about 17% of those sales. So if we apply the 17% to the 500,000 affected VW vehicles, we can assume that there are validation procedures in place to cover around 85,000 of the 500,000. Again, there may be states with no or limited emissions testing (map I provided earlier) that may do nothing. "The State of California and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts require the completion of emission recall repairs prior to vehicle registration renewal. For vehicles registered in these states, please provide the owner with a Vehicle Emission Recall Proof of Correction certificate after the repair has been performed."

It's not clear whether the car could be driven with the SSN message and / or would not restart. Did you lose propulsion when the SSN message came on? No ICE and EV? Did the CEL come on? Would it not start? Did you take the old battery to say Autozone and have them test it? Also, did the new battery hold a charge?. If you lost propulsion / power while driving, please report the issue to NHTSA as it is a safety issue. IMO, Ford likely doesn't want to begin replacing control modules without a high likelihood that it will fix the issue. If voltage was too low, non-critical functions would stop / not function correctly. The 12 V battery voltage entry positions are 11 V for most sensor monitoring OBD functions, 8 V for more critical functions, and 6 V for critical hybrid components.

nethunter, welcome. It's your peace of mind as to whether you get a spare, jack, and security lug nuts as only you can weigh the cost / benefit of such. I take the security nuts off on my vehicles that came equipped with them for ease of servicing my brakes and rotating tires. In about 1.5 million miles of driving, I've needed and used the jack and spare tire one time on a rainy, cold night when I hit a large pothole which blew out the sidewall on a tire on my 1979 Honda Accord. I do get nails / screws in my tires quite often. So you may want to look at FORScan and an ELM327 adapter (around $30) to monitor tire pressure as IMO the likelihood of needing a spare is very small while detecting slow leaks and maintaining pressure is ongoing. It's nice to look at my smartphone and monitor tire pressure with FORScan rather than with a gauge. ;)

My guess, NO as I can't imagine a battery replacement every 5 k miles but it may be a reason to pass on the car unless you can find out what service was performed. If the car being sold by a Ford dealer, call them and ask what Battery Serviced/Replaced means. All my dealer service reports / invoices (about 8) list under an item labeled "Perform Quick Lane Multi-point Inspection": GBATT BATTERY TESTED AND OK AT THIS TIME On my last service, I took my car in because my 12 V battery wouldn't hold a charge and to have 15E03 PCM reprogramming and recall 14S21 done. The dealer tested my battery and found it failed. The first item on the service report shows that a new BXT battery was installed. The next item on the service report is the Multi-point inspection showing the battery was tested and is OK.

I agree. I recall reading (maybe Ford or reviewers) that the numerically higher ratio for the Energi was to enable about the same acceleration performance as the Hybrid (given the Energi is a heavier vehicle than the Hybrid). The torque demand would be higher for the Energi when both are accelerating from the same speed. My guess is there is a physical limitation with the transmission / ICE / motors planetary gear system that prevents the Energi from delivering more torque to the wheels to match the Hybrid acceleration without the higher final drive gear ratio even though the transmission is billed as an infinitely variable drive system. My guess is also that in normal driving the software optimizes the overall gear ratio. It would make sense then that the software is calibrated for the specific vehicle. It would be interesting to record data from a Hybrid and Energi (in Hybrid operation mode) at the same time when accelerating side by side or perhaps an Energi and two hybrids (one Hybrid 300 pounds heavier). :)

Exactly. Now add about 30 k miles for 66 k total miles and a base SEL (my car) and I'd be lucky to get $10,000 on trade-in which is about 40% of what I paid out the door. So, I'm wondering what else is not right with teddybear's car given that $12,500 seems pretty good (to me). Of course a fully loaded SEL with 20 k miles might fetch $14,000 on trade-in.

So tell us what''s not right other than the $12,500 trade-in price?

The negative terminal of the battery is not readily accessible likely because the negative cable has sensors as part of the cable. The Battery Control Module uses the data from the sensors. Connecting load or supply across the battery terminals may affect the monitoring function of the BCM, There is a chassis ground lug that can be used in the rear hatch area for connecting a charger. So by connecting load or a charger across the + battery terminal and the ground lug, charging current or load current will flow through the negative battery cable with the sensor and provide the BCM with appropriate data. The negative post under the hood is connected to chassis ground.

The funnel hole should have a funnel in it which is used to put gas in the car if not at a pump with a nozzle (emergency situations if you run out of gas). Water is not normal in a car. Why speculate how and why it got there? Why buy a car with a potential leak that possibly can't be found by a dealer. What else did the water touch /condensation settle on It's not fun sopping up water and drying parts every so often if there is a body leak. I had a body leak in a Volvo that the dealer couldn't find after many attempts. After 2 years and no resolution I sold the car,

I don't recall anyone having issues like in your pics. I think some have had rear window washer issues where fluid leaked. I wouldn't touch it as there obviously is an issue with the car. At 36k miles the 3 year / 36k mile b2b warranty has expired.