Billyk24

Might get in trouble by posting a link to another site: rbort - Ford Fusion Energi Forum I wish some of you that had known this would had linked where one could find him.

Hate to mention this but the regular Escape ICE with the turbo engines have had issues. This can also lead to cooling system problems. There are two recalls for the 2018 Escape. The 2017 CMax transmission and engine are great.

Mobil 1 is the oil I have used since I had the new 2005 Escape Hybrid. I went 10,000 miles between oil changes in the Escape Hybrid without any engine issues. I had to trade it in at 199,9xx miles due to rust. I go now 20,000 miles on the CMax Energi. You can purchase the oil at Walmart or other and take the 5 quart container into the dealership asking them to use this oil.

What type of oil did you use? Regular dino oil means you probably should change it. Full synthetic would mean no need for a change.

A cheap fix is to install a trickle charger and plug in at night.

Were you using a 120V or 240V outlet to charge the vehicle?

Ford is replacing the HVB packs in the European Version of the Escape PHEV due to battery cell contamination. https://fordauthority.com/2020/10/ford-will-replace-kuga-phev-battery-pack-in-recalled-models-to-fix-fire-risk/

If one looks at the warranty provided by the major and modern EV companies, they state a warranty of at least 70% of new kWh for 8 years and 100,000 miles. The 9% figure falls within this range. It is doubtful that many if any normal functioning vehicles exceeded a 30% loss in capacity.

But GM did the same with the Volt (17kWh) and had a 39 mile EV range. Not sure what the usable kWh capacity-many report 11.5kWh- was but this is really what a PHEV should produce for range--over 3.0+ miles per kWh. Meaning the Audi should have 30+ miles EV range.

Jumping to the competition? Someone elsewhere stated they are moving to the Audi Q5 plug-in which has a 14kWh battery pack and...all 19 miles of EV rated range. No thank you.

And...Ford Authority published a noticed the Lincoln Corsair is delayed to 2021 and will be revealed as a 2021 model.: When we revealed, we announced that the Corsair Grand Touring will launch as a 2021 model year,” Lincoln told Ford Authority in a statement. “Although it was originally scheduled to go on sale at the end of this year, we are now are moving full scale production of the Corsair Grand Touring to 2021. It will go on sale next year.” https://fordauthority.com/2020/10/lincoln-corsair-grand-touring-follows-escape-phev-in-delayed-2021-launch/

Lincoln Corsair PHEV production date: 11-09-2020 via this link: Ford Authority has learned that the 2021 Lincoln Corsair Grand Touring will enter production on November 9th, 2020 at the Ford Louisville Assembly Plant, https://fordauthority.com/2020/08/lincoln-corsair-grand-touring-phev-production-dates-uncovered/ Maybe...maybe not. Don't know the supplier for the battery pack.

It is not the gas tank or location of the battery pack. This source indicates the battery cells got contaminated and caused runaway thermal control, leading to smoke and damage: BMW was more transparent than Ford in informing what the issue was. According to the German carmaker, the battery production process allowed impurities to enter the cells. When batteries have any strange element in their chemistry, that can cause thermal runaway and fires, precisely the risk both recall campaigns pointed out as their reason. https://insideevs.com/news/449322/samsung-sdi-root-ford-bmw-phev-recalls/amp/

Ford of Europe is working to fix a problem with its Kuga plug-in related to venting heat from the batteries. The fuel tank is and has been enclosed and sealed for many years. I read this as the battery and or hardware connect to the battery is overheating and catching fire. This is the root cause. The fuel tank may then be an issue.

Wait a minute. Isn't the fuel tank close the batteries in the CMax which has never had a recall for such? The control module as the root cause has been pointed out in the past by Ford. I would speculate it is the battery cells itself that heat too high and cause the issue.

Ford is holding up the Escape PHEV due to it's European twin having recalls and fires with the battery pack. Sad story. Yet the Lincoln Corsair PHEV will go into production the first week of November 2020.

The HVB fans turn on when the HVB is 8f degrees warmer than the internal cabin temperature thanks to the input from Raj in 2019.

1= yes because the electronic transmission requires such. No charge in the HVB, your vehicle will not start or run. 2. it is the HVB temperature you need to monitor, not the outdoor temperature. The HVB cells are like humans, when it gets much above 90F, they don't care for it and don't work as well. If you start to approach 100f, you are asking for trouble and the car may malfunction. Ask me about it as mine shut down 4x in Michigan during a hot, sunny day when I needed a bathroom break bad and there was no shady area to park in.. Damn HVB temperature rose significantly just sitting in the sun while I needed personal time. 3. Cord doesn't matter 4. If you are that serious about improved HVB capacity, you need to contact third party vendors. Your dealer will not do such.

Florida is warm for many months of the year. An Energi sitting in the parking lot during a hot day will heat up its HVB temperature just sitting there. The vehicle does not have the ability to quickly cool it'ss HVB. Charging on the 240V system can and will heat up the HVB. Charging to full and letting the vehicle sit at 100% is not good. Full charge to empty on the HVB is hard on the battery cells. It is better to keep the SOC between 20-70% but on very hot days, less charge than than. You will not receive a new HVB from the dealer unless there is something outside the battery cells that caused the degradation. Your best bet is to monitor the HVB temperature, amps, state of charge, and use the engine as much as possible when needed. This is not an EV and should not be driven as if it is a Tesla until the HVB is empty.

Ford's warranty does not state anything about degradation. Because of this fact, you will not obtain a replacement unless there is something else outside the battery cells that caused the loss of capacity. Your HVB will not die. There is a Facebook site owner driving the Energi without charging it as she has an issue.

Energi forum hasn't appeared in a long time. Do not believe it will come back. Since Ford no longer sells the CMax in the USA, how much longer will this forum exist?

Plugshare is the app many of us use to find charging locations.

Not enough room for a second or larger battery size. Software would have to be re-written for different battery. Then there is that CMax Energi flaw of poor HVB cooling. A larger and more used HVB is going to create more heat. The vehicle is inadequate to handle such for four months a year during the warm weather or longer in warmer areas. It isn't going to work well without a form of active cooling.

This "electrically dead" vehicle has happened to my 2017 Energi 2x in the first 4 months of ownership but none since. Owners on the facebook site have also reported on this issue. I keep mine on a trickle charger when in the garage and overnight.

Hot, sunny and humid here with temperatures near 90F. Got an email from friend and needed to make a trip to the postal office and two other trips. Was running the air conditioning at 65F. Could not decrease the Energi's HVB temperature and watched it rise 8F during 14 miles of driving with four stops (parking in little shade I could find) along the way. Used scan guage II hardware to read HVB temperatures. Temperature rose to 96F. Had made a grocery trip earlier in the day and was not expecting to redrive the CMax.