armoredsaint Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 I didn't see it in the settings or manual - I assume this is where the dealer will plug in his computer into my OBD to turn it off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurel Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Are you sure you have daytime running lights? We have them in Canada, but it isn't standard for C-Max for USA customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoredsaint Posted April 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Are you sure you have daytime running lights? We have them in Canada, but it isn't standard for C-Max for USA customers. of course i am sure i have them, you silly canucks! ;) :hysterical: eta: i use to be from canada also Edited April 27, 2013 by armoredsaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAZ Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 DRLs on U.S. vehicles? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomtrey Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 i WISH we had DRL's!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roninsd Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 Not on mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLdr1 Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 I believe DRLs are installed on US "Fleet" sales versions, as in rentals and large corporate purchases, but are not available on consumer versions. If you are unfortunate enough to have been stuck with DRLs I suspect you cannot turn them off. Check with your dealer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoredsaint Posted April 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 DRLs on U.S. vehicles? I think not.yes it is on mine - i'm here in Ohio, even on my sticker it said DRL installed or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomoto Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 Are you maybe confusing the fog lamps for DRL's? I for one would love to have DRL's. If it was an easy add-on accessory, I'd get them because with the inattentive drivers around here I need all the help I can get! :sos: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomoto Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 Not to pry amoredsaint but is the company you work for and provided your SEL large enough to qualify for fleet purchases? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoredsaint Posted April 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) Are you maybe confusing the fog lamps for DRL's? I for one would love to have DRL's. If it was an easy add-on accessory, I'd get them because with the inattentive drivers around here I need all the help I can get! :sos: really? i'm not some clueless driver wearing white socks with Jesus sandals and i eat meat too - :hysterical: it is DRL's and it operates from the low-beams and i noticed it was a $45 charge too :superhero: Edited April 28, 2013 by armoredsaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoredsaint Posted April 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 ;) Adair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wab Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 i WISH we had DRL's!! Check with your dealer, a few yrs ago they would turn them on for $100.00.I suspect amoredsaint will be paying the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leenanj Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) really? i'm not some clueless driver wearing white socks with Jesus sandals and i eat meat too - :hysterical: it is DRL's and it operates from the low-beams and i noticed it was a $45 charge too :superhero: Nice, I would like DRL's also.If its only $45 dollars that must mean there is a $5 dollar relay that you can plug in somewhere. Who has a shop manual that can research this? Edited April 28, 2013 by leenanj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoredsaint Posted April 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 i do know on my 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland it has DRL's also, but the only way to turn them off is to pull out the two relays inside the engine compartment for the left and right sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceemax71 Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 The daytime running light function is enabled in software at the factory. There is no relay or wiring changes for DRL.However, according to several posts on blueovalforums.com, starting with 2013 model year, DRL cannot be enabled or disabled by dealer service technicians.Dealer service techs have tried to enable DRL using IDS software, but the DRL enable parameter is no longer accessible. This is directly from the shop manual: Daytime Running Lamps (DRL)The DRL system consists of the low beams and the BCM.The DRL system operates the low beam headlamps at a reduced intensity to increase the visibility of the vehicle in traffic. Daytime Running Lamps (DRL)NOTE: The DRL is a programmable parameter for this vehicle. The DRL system utilizes the existing circuitry and components from the headlamp system and operates the low beam headlamps at a reduced intensity.The BCM monitors the ignition status, the headlamp switch and autolamp status.Based on the inputs, the BCM activates the DRL.The DRL are activated when the ignition is in RUN and the low beams have not been turned on by the autolamp system or the headlamp switch. armoredsaint, Phil1336, kyledamron1 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoredsaint Posted April 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 The daytime running light function is enabled in software at the factory. There is no relay or wiring changes for DRL.However, according to several posts on blueovalforums.com, starting with 2013 model year, DRL cannot be enabled or disabled by dealer service technicians.Dealer service techs have tried to enable DRL using IDS software, but the DRL enable parameter is no longer accessible. This is directly from the shop manual: Daytime Running Lamps (DRL)The DRL system consists of the low beams and the BCM.The DRL system operates the low beam headlamps at a reduced intensity to increase the visibility of the vehicle in traffic. Daytime Running Lamps (DRL)NOTE: The DRL is a programmable parameter for this vehicle. The DRL system utilizes the existing circuitry and components from the headlamp system and operates the low beam headlamps at a reduced intensity.The BCM monitors the ignition status, the headlamp switch and autolamp status.Based on the inputs, the BCM activates the DRL.The DRL are activated when the ignition is in RUN and the low beams have not been turned on by the autolamp system or the headlamp switch. good info - too bad they make it so difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil1336 Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 good info - too bad they make it so difficult.My question is was this 2013 Ford C-MAX a special ordered Vehicle that (you) purchased or a Company Fleet Vehicle that your driving? If you bought this Vehicle from Dealer Inventory, it was either a Fleet Ordered Vehicle that was never Sold or Delivered to the original Purchaser (or) it had to be a mistake, period. The MY 2013 C-MAX Order Guide specifically states that DRL`s, Daytime Running Lights are a Fleet Only Option requiring a Valid "FIN" Fleet Identification Number in order to add Option # 942. I live in the Florida Keys and DRL`s are very important due to the extreme Sun and narrow roads, especially RT 1, The Overseas Highway. I had my 2011 Ford Fiesta`s DRL`s enabled and activated by the local Ford Dealership in 10 minutes with about 10 clicks of his Mouse and IDS Programmer hooked up to my Vehicles Smart Junction Box. I (DO) want the DRL`s and I told my Dealer, if they can`t order them for the $45 and can`t enable and activate them on the C-Max, its No Deal! Why Ford does not make them Standard Equipment like most manufacturers is a mystery. At the very least. they should make it available as an option (like Chrysler) for those that want it. Ford insists on "Fleet Only" availability? Just another unsolved mystery I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomoto Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Yes, amoredsaint has a company owned car as per another thread. Yesterday morning was my first one with the cmax in heavy fog. I noticed several drivers who didn't have their lights one and was cussing at them. Then I noticed most of these folks were in newer Fords followed closely in noticing that mine were no longer on either!!! The sensor for the auto lamps is too optimistic IMO and turns them off too soon. DRL would help. RedLdr1 and Adair 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoredsaint Posted May 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Yes, amoredsaint has a company owned car as per another thread. Yesterday morning was my first one with the cmax in heavy fog. I noticed several drivers who didn't have their lights one and was cussing at them. Then I noticed most of these folks were in newer Fords followed closely in noticing that mine were no longer on either!!! The sensor for the auto lamps is too optimistic IMO and turns them off too soon. DRL would help. +1 why can't Ford like most car company make it on or off options - it boggles my mind on why it's so hard for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil1336 Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 +1 why can't Ford like most car company make it on or off options - it boggles my mind on why it's so hard for them?I agree, except where it is mandated by Law like in Canada, (all) Auto Manufacturers should equip their entire Fleet with either DRL`s or LED`s with an easy way to either enable or disable the feature. Perhaps one day the NHTSA will finally decide one way or the other the merits or disadvantages of DRL`s. Set a date and afterwards all Car makers will either offer or discontinue the practice once an for all. Its either a (good) idea or a (bad) feature. Offer some guidance and end this madness. Some Manufacturers like Hyundai and Kia put them on some Vehicles and not others. Are DRL`s or LED`s a safety feature or just a trim upgrade for appearance sake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 I agree, except where it is mandated by Law like in Canada, (all) Auto Manufacturers should equip their entire Fleet with either DRL`s or LED`s with an easy way to either enable or disable the feature. Perhaps one day the NHTSA will finally decide one way or the other the merits or disadvantages of DRL`s. Set a date and afterwards all Car makers will either offer or discontinue the practice once an for all. Its either a (good) idea or a (bad) feature. Offer some guidance and end this madness. Some Manufacturers like Hyundai and Kia put them on some Vehicles and not others. Are DRL`s or LED`s a safety feature or just a trim upgrade for appearance sake?DRLs can be insignificant to safety. Thus, it's may not be a good idea nor is it a bad feature with respect to safety. Conclusions on two NHTSA studies below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowbar Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 DRL's could have a negative impact on a hybrid vehicle that already has issues with keeping a 12v battery charged. I like the fact the C-Max has an indicator light that makes it easy to see if the headlights are on or not. I usually keep my headlights on auto but if I want to override the system I manually turn them on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomoto Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) if I want to override the system I manually turn them on. I recently discovered that if you have the lights on and power off the car, an alarm chimes ja warning ust like most other modern cars. Here's the cool part I discovered: if you then rotate the selector from "on" to "auto" and exit the vehicle, the lights will turn off. Nice. Why is so cool? In my former prius if you did the same thing, the headlights would remain on. IOW, the auto setting you had selected wouldn't take effect until you powered up the car again. Thus if not for a nice neighbor, I would have burned down and possibly ruined the prius 12V battery after doing this on the first day of ownership. Edited May 1, 2013 by fotomoto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armoredsaint Posted May 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2013 stupid thing with my former Prius is that it had everything except the AUTO function, but it you kept it in the ON position and turn off your car, it will shut-off in 30 seconds iirc. Worked each and every time. man do I miss the LED/turn lights and projector lamps - about the only thing I miss in it. I don't miss being labeled in a certain demographic for people who drive a Prius ;) :hysterical: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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