homestead Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 I have been looking at Escape & Rav4 plug-ins or maybe a non-tesla EV since I want to keep suv/crossover hatchback style. After you decide to get rid of your C-max what car would you replace it with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 You know I have a FEHP on order and driving one is an easy transition. Paul fbov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestead Posted July 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 32 minutes ago, ptjones said: You know I have a FEHP on order and driving one is an easy transition. Paul Yes, looking forward to your review when you get your escape. ptjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djc Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 The forthcoming RAV4 Prime sounds interesting. Too interesting, apparently- dealers are quoting $4k to $10k markups over MSRP. And all in the initial allotment are going to ZEV states. https://www.torquenews.com/6626/searching-2021-toyota-rav4-prime-you-will-not-believe-these-stories The safety features deployed over the last half-dozen years are a big reason for replacing my 2013 C-max. I would like another small wagon like the C-max or RAV4 or Escape. AWD would be a big plus, which counts against the FWD only Escape plug-in hybrid. I am driving less and MPG is not as important (to me) as it once was, though I appreciate the 40+ mpg the Cmax has given over its lifetime including mpg bashing winters. So I am shopping, but not intensively, with the 2021 RAV4 Prime being the benchmark for me. Given the RAV4 Prime is not an option, to save money I am mainly looking at used RAV4 hybrids, which are plentiful enough. But I'll keep looking for other ideas, including Tesla Y. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestead Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just looked at reviews for Rav4 & Escape on KBB. Rav4 did not have good reviews, lots of problems. The Escape all had good reviews but there was only 5 total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takingittothemax Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Having only just bought our C-Max, it's staying for a while ? It's a shame that the mini-minivan segment is dead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbov Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) Just saw this... C&D used an Escape SE with the 3-cyl. No hybrids tested. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a32161895/2020-compact-crossover-comparison/ "(Escape) Verdict: Feels as if it were built to a price, rather than to impress." What did they expect? I considered RAV4 and CR-V, but did not drive them. RAV4 styling left me cold, the price, a bit shocked. The CR-V sounded like a different set-up, but it turns out to be the same power-split device, biased to mostly EV drive at low speed and direct ICE drive at high speed if I understand correctly. I liked the C-Max operability, I like the Escape, too. As Paul notes, it's an easy transition. Stay well, Frank PS: 2019 RAV4 Hybrid comparison... SE Sport vs. Top-of the-Line Toyota again. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a29878756/2020-ford-escape-hybrid-vs-2019-toyota-rav4-hybrid/ Edited July 28, 2020 by fbov more data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-MaxA2 Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Drove a 2019 RAV4 rental (not a hybrid) for several hours and did not find it a desirable vehicle - lots of hard plastic inside, so-so seats, noisy inside, hard riding. I was surprised quite honestly by how poorly it compared to our 2016 C-Max in those respects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grege Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Rav4 hybrid is the only one I'd consider at this point (until/unless Honda CRV hybrid improves). My real preference is to see the Ford Transit Connect hybridized; that could be ideal (although I'd still be leery given Ford's very poor build quality with our 2 cmaxes). Greg C-MaxA2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zalusky Posted July 29, 2020 Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) Rav4 is a bit of a conundrum for me. I appreciate all the options but I absolutely hate Toyota styling with all the sharp lines. Mirai, Prius, and Rav4 just turn me off. I want to like the FEH/FEHP but as has been mentioned the insides look cheap. So as a result I am keeping my eye on the BEV vehicles. A lot of things are coming out over the next couple of years. I am hoping battery prices come down. My CMAX is doing fine so I can wait for now. Edited July 29, 2020 by zalusky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestead Posted July 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 Yeah the rav4 is not the best looking. The white Rav4 front end remind me of a Star Wars stormtrooper. After reading the reviews for Rav4 I posted above I have shifted back to the Escape or BEV. ptjones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowStorm Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 20 hours ago, zalusky said: So as a result I am keeping my eye on the BEV vehicles. A lot of things are coming out over the next couple of years. I am hoping battery prices come down. My CMAX is doing fine so I can wait for now. Feel exactly the same. I would love a BEV that can go 250+ miles in spite of rain or cold. Don't want to end up on a rollback like we saw recently. We were driving along and saw this truck in front with a car on it with the Tesla emblem! I knew we were approaching a gas station that had Tesla superchargers and sure enough, they turned in to that station. A bit later there they were, the rollback was down and the car plugged in! I wanted to take a picture but thought the owners might not appreciate it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towpro Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) we have had about 6 escapes in a row now. We recently had a 2011 and a 2017 at the same time. The different between 2011 to 2017 was like an old pickup to a nice car. now the 2020 escape is that much nicer then the 2017 escape. Its definitely the quietest escape we have ever owned. the 2017 escape titanium with 2.0 was traded on the 2020 escape hybrid. 1 week later the 2011 escape limited was traded on a 2018 Cmax SE Edited August 5, 2020 by Towpro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbov Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Both moves I tried... missed the last of the new-build C-Max, but find the new Escape Hybrid is worth the wait. Interested in your perception, after a few months. Frank Edited August 5, 2020 by fbov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowbar Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 It replaced the 2012 Fusion, not the 2013 C-Max but I added a 2020 Honda CRV Touring to the garage. I went with the FWD 1.5T. Very nice car. I am sure the hybrids are nice too. The only complaints I am hearing are about the AVAS (Acoustic Vehicle Alert System) and the Idle-Stop System. They work as advertised but the new owners don't like them. The C-Max only has about 58k on it but it still has the original tires, battery and transmission. Yes, I am knocking on wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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