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This implies the $475 is on top of the $550 for CMAX Hybrid...but I agree that it is a little vague: Previous EPA-estimated 45/40/43MPG city/hwy/combined Revised EPA-estimated 42/37/40MPG city/hwy/combined Goodwill Payment $475.00 What are you doing for customers? We apologize to our customers and affected owners will receive a goodwill payment for the difference between the prior and new combined fuel economy ratings.

Yup - I grew up in Lexington (2 towns away from Cambridge) and my wife grew up in Cambridge, and I can attest to this solution as approved by the Magliozzi brothers

I got rid of my ramps 20+ years ago - I used a floor jack to jack up one side at the jacking point on the rocker panel just behind the front wheel arch. I inserted a small/low Harbor Freight jack stand and then did the same on the other side. Very easy and very stable and safe.

Just came back from Las Vegas (~650 miles round trip) - only 42.7 MPG for the trip, but lot's of AC use and elevation changes - 65-70 MPH mostly

No wind noise here, but I did experience the rolling over of the weatherstripping issue - some silicone tire gel seemed to cure that. the LR door is still prone to not closing completely if only lightly pushed - will investigate and lube further - thx for the suggestion - it didn't occur to me that the weatherstripping could be the cause

I was intrigued by your "80%" ...Our C-Max probably spends 80+% of it's driving time around town - 2-4 mile trips, but 80+% of the miles are highway. Our lifetime mileage readout on the dash after 1 year/10K miles 45.2 MPG. We replaced a Lincoln LS V-6, which got about 22 MPG. Every time we fill up, we figure we save what we spent. For example, when I filled the tank yesterday for $22, we marveled at the thought that we also saved $22 vs. the car we replaced...and we like the C-Max better (although the Lincoln was a nice car)

Same here!

Well, keep driving, but we are coming to SF again this Summer - nothing personal, but I think we should try not to be in your area when you are on the road LOL!

With the C-Max filter located under the dash, it leads me to conclude that the filter is downstream from the fan/heater core/evaporator. On my past cars with the filter located under the hood/cowl panel, the filter was upstream/before the fan/heater core/evaporator. I kind of like the idea of filtering the air before it get to those components, to keep them clean and dust free, but maybe filtering after those components is better for at delivering air that is dust/mildew/mold free...

Higher highway speeds reduce MPG on all vehicles, but the C-Max does not seem to be an especially aerodynamic car, so I think higher speeds have an even greater effect than they would on a sleeker car. We try to keep highway speed mostly under 70MPH, and we got about 45 MPG on our recent trip Phoenix to Las Vegas ~600 miles round trip

So, I guess we do agree that the OP's experience is not representative of whole C-Max population? Would we say it has a few more issues than normal or would we go so far as to say it's a lemon?

What is a lemon, anyway? I think it's a very trouble prone car which has problems that, to date, have not been fixable, or are fixed and then reoccur/reappear. Based on the original post, is that example of a C-Max a lemon, or representative of what we should expect of a C-Max or what we should expect of Ford? We've only gone 8,000 miles in 10 months, but have only needed to return to the dealer for the updates - never for a problem or repair. Our lifetime MPG is around 45 MPG, with a lot of it highway driving...sure, less than the EPA #s, but who believes that nonsense anyway?

Isn't the Ruby Red color an extra cost option and the black (pearl) isn't?

Pictures, please???

Yeah - very weird there is no low level sensor for this. My last car not to have a low washer fluid sensor was a 1981 Pontiac. I also find it very strange that: Oil life is monitored, but does not display Tire pressure is monitored, but does not display

That's what I'm sayin'!

EV miles of 2+ times the ICE miles is excellent - we average ~1X...in other words, EV miles are approximately 1/2 the total miles (so ICE miles ~ EV miles)

Cool thread

I'm not sure that it's reasonable to expect people to change their driving habits...maybe...just not sure. We just drive our C-Max normally, but try not to hit the gas too hard or drive too fast (try to keep it at 65-70 MPH on the highway). I kind of think of it as "go with the flow" - drive at what feels and sounds comfortable for the car without pushing it too hard. We are at ~ 6,000 miles driven so far. We routinely get 45-47 MPG. I'm sure we could do better if we "learned how to drive a hybrid", but we are happy with where we're at. What I can't understand is: How do people (and Consumer Reports) get mid 30s MPG?

I'm more annoyed by the discrepancy between the dash MPG display and the calculated MPG than I am by the difference between EPA MPG and actual MPG. I filled up today - dash display was 46.7 - calculated was 45.3 MPG. Not that it amounts to much - only about 60 cents in this case!

Yeah - that. I have had that on every GM car I have owned since '94 - can't understand why it doesn't display, since we have been told by a forum member who is a Ford Service Technician that the oil life remaining is calculated and visible on his proprietary scan tool - just not on our dash display. While you're at it, a numeric display of instantaneous fuel economy would be better than that lame bar graph. Finally, how about a display of actual tire pressure - not just a warning when one or more are low. I know every car is a compromise between costs and benefits, but none of these requests would require any new hardware or add any additional cost to the car.

Does anyone actually use their fog lights? I think I have had them on every car I have owned since 1984, but I'm not sure i have ever even turned them on. I will admit that we don't have a lot of fog here in the Phoenix desert, but I don't really recall using them even back in the days of living in Boston

Our other car is a Buick Lacrosse e-Assist (mild hybrid with 2.4L engine). It uses a cartridge style oil filter - there is no can around the filter element - it drops into a machined recess in the block and then there is a re-usable cap that is installed over it to seal it in and retain it. At the first oil change, I found a very sizable aluminum shaving in the filter pleats. My guess is it was deposited there within the first few minutes of engine operation. So, while I agree engines in new cars are more pristine than they were in new cars in the 60s, I think there is still some machining debris that will be removed with the first oil change. You could reason that, while I found a metal shaving in the filter, that is not a cause of concern, because...after all...I did find it in the filter. I'm sure the oil filters in our cars would filter out any visible contaminants; my area of concern is, is there a lot of debris in a new engine that is smaller than what the oil filter will catch...AND...will that very small size debris do any harm? I don't have an answer for that.

After 5,000 miles, around 50% of our non-Energi C-Max Hybrid is in EV mode

We are happy with the Nav - the voice recognition is not so hot - I find it easier to use the screen to input the address. I think the voice recognition is good for stored system commands For example: saying "Radio Classics" is always instantly recognized as Radio Classics