AZTAXI Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'm sorry to say our first Cmax needs the transmission replaced at 52,000 miles. It's under warranty but I hope this was a fluke. Who else has been running up the mileage on a Cmax quickly? obob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obob Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'm sorry to say our first Cmax needs the transmission replaced at 52,000 miles. It's under warranty but I hope this was a fluke. Who else has been running up the mileage on a Cmax quickly?What are the symptoms ? Supports my thought to get an extended warrantee before the end of the warrantee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomoto Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I haven't seen any other reports of a transaxle failure. Got any details? Any fluid changes? Interesting that it's covered on a commercial vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTAXI Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 The car was making a loud whining noise whenever it was acclerating or braking. The noise seemed to be coming from the generator area. Ford does not service it separatly so they need to throw a new unit in the car. The trans alone is $3600 my cost if I need to replace them out of warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 The car was making a loud whining noise whenever it was acclerating or braking. The noise seemed to be coming from the generator area. Ford does not service it separatly so they need to throw a new unit in the car. The trans alone is $3600 my cost if I need to replace them out of warranty.The trans has an 8 yr. 100K mile warranty in all non CA emission controlled states. All states the follow the CA regulation will carry a 15 yr. 150K mile warranty coverage period. Here's the coverage charts..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomoto Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 The trans has an 8 yr. 100K mile warranty in all non CA emission controlled states. All states the follow the CA regulation will carry a 15 yr. 150K mile warranty coverage period. Here's the coverage charts..... Fed.jpg CA.jpg Not necessarily so. Depends on how it's classified by FORD. Toyota classifies the transaxle as part of the power train and not a component of the hybrid system. Yeah, BS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTAXI Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 The dealer is stating that this would be covered up to 60,000 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obob Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 The dealer is stating that this would be covered up to 60,000 miles.I hope this is not a systematic problem. I had a Toyota Van which had a known transmission flaw and Toyota had kind of a secret extended warrantee, but my trans went after the extended period. Actually it started to go during the period but I didn't know it was a problem until after the extended period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obob Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 The trans has an 8 yr. 100K mile warranty in all non CA emission controlled states. All states the follow the CA regulation will carry a 15 yr. 150K mile warranty coverage period. Here's the coverage charts..... Fed.jpg CA.jpg If I had know this it might have have been worth it to buy from a state that has the CA regulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestead Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 AZTAXI, How are C-max's working out as a taxi? obob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 If I had know this it might have have been worth it to buy from a state that has the CA regulation.I'm pretty sure you need to be a registered resident too. Maybe if you had a second home or were a snobird ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Not necessarily so. Depends on how it's classified by FORD. Toyota classifies the transaxle as part of the power train and not a component of the hybrid system. Yeah, BS!If it's an AT/PZEV related component, the 8/100K or 15/150K applies. The OP's statement leads me to believe it's an MG1 problem. The car was making a loud whining noise whenever it was acclerating or braking. The noise seemed to be coming from the generator area. Ford does not service it separatly so they need to throw a new unit in the car. The trans alone is $3600 my cost if I need to replace them out of warranty. Edited October 4, 2013 by drdiesel1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPRifleman Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 How does the C-Max have a transmission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 I bought my C-Max in October 2012 and currently have about 37,000 miles, mostly long distance highway. Believe there are a few others in this forum with similar mileage. I recently purchased an extended warranty (48 months/100,000 miles, $100 deductible) through my dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaPieR Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) I'm at 32K now with my C-Max driven around 80% highway and 20% city. Haven't had any mechanical problems what-so-ever so far. I did purchase the extended warranty for the C-Max. Edited October 4, 2013 by RaPieR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) How does the C-Max have a transmission?It's called an eCVT Electronic / Constant Variable Transmission. Some just call it a CVT Edited October 4, 2013 by drdiesel1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HannahWCU Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 It's called an eCVT Electronic / Constant Variable Transmission. Some just call it a CVT I heard it called a Continuously Variable Transmission. Here is a thread on how the prius trans works, My inderstanding is that the Ford eCVT is very similar. http://fordcmaxhybridforum.com/topic/2612-how-a-ecvt-works-video/?hl=transmission&do=findComment&comment=28282 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPRifleman Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 It's called an eCVT Electronic / Constant Variable Transmission. Some just call it a CVT My point was that the C-Max does not use a conventional transmission design that has been around forever. The hybrid powertrain is very different from a conventional automobile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbob Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 My point was that the C-Max does not use a conventional transmission design that has been around forever. The hybrid powertrain is very different from a conventional automobile. Ford calls it a transmission in it's technical documents, good enough for me. From the Transmission Overview document: Transmission Overview The Electronically Controlled Continuously Variable Transmission (eCVT) has the following internal components: Traction Motor Generator/Starter High voltage terminals Pump and filter assembly Transmission fluid auxiliary pump TR sensor TFT sensor Planetary carrier Differential carrier etc., etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) I heard it called a Continuously Variable Transmission. Here is a thread on how the prius trans works, My inderstanding is that the Ford eCVT is very similar. http://fordcmaxhybridforum.com/topic/2612-how-a-ecvt-works-video/?hl=transmission&do=findComment&comment=28282The Ford trans is very different to the Toyota design. Our MG1 is on a separate shaft from MG2. It's the main reason we have an85 mph EV capable top speed. We also have the electronic downhill assist. IIRC, the trans can also lower ICE RPM's basedon load and torque input data. The Energi models have an electric ATF pump for extended EV operation and high speed operation. Edited October 4, 2013 by drdiesel1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 My point was that the C-Max does not use a conventional transmission design that has been around forever. The hybrid powertrain is very different from a conventional automobile.No hybrids use conventional transmissions, but the eCVT is a transmission non the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZTAXI Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 My point was that the C-Max does not use a conventional transmission design that has been around forever. The hybrid powertrain is very different from a conventional automobile. Thanks for clearing that up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmckinley Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 "No hybrids use conventional transmissions, but the eCVT is a transmission non the less" You're wrong there. The Honda CRZ has a manual transmission.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbob Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 "No hybrids use conventional transmissions, but the eCVT is a transmission non the less" You're wrong there. The Honda CRZ has a manual transmission.. The CRZ is probably classified as a "mild hybrid" due to it's small electric motor. Maybe he should have said "No GOOD hybrids...." :) hybridbear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HannahWCU Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 The Ford trans is very different to the Toyota design. Our MG1 is on a separate shaft from MG2. It's the main reason we have an85 mph EV capable top speed. We also have the electronic downhill assist. IIRC, the trans can also lower ICE RPM's basedon load and torque input data. The Energi models have an electric ATF pump for extended EV operation and high speed operation.Ok, so it's different than the Toyota. But that video will give a person a good understanding of how an eCVT works. It's a planetary gear set with two electric motors. Find a better video, post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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