darrelld Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) I took my C-Max to the local Ford dealer to take care of the recall issues and get a State Inspection sticker. After 3 days the C-Max was returned without an inspection sticker and the service ticket had a note stating the emissions test had failed. This car has less than 20k miles and the dealer failed to address a critical warranty issue with 2 weeks to state inspection sticker expiration. Has anyone else experienced this? Edited October 19, 2014 by darrelld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 That is covered under warranty and they should have fixed it. What did they say about fixing it? ;) Paul obob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelld Posted October 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 That is covered under warranty and they should have fixed it. What did they say about fixing it? ;) Paul They called and said it was a communications failure from the firmware updates to fix the recall. The SA said this normally clears after driving the car for around 50 miles and one of the techs was out doing that. I never was told that the inspection had never completed when they called to come pick up the car. I am hoping this is an oversight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiling Jack Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 They called and said it was a communications failure from the firmware updates to fix the recall. The SA said this normally clears after driving the car for around 50 miles and one of the techs was out doing that. I never was told that the inspection had never completed when they called to come pick up the car. I am hoping this is an oversight. Seems to me that if they were aware of this update problem they should have done the state inspection first. drdiesel1 and ptjones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSMacLean Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 This is normal, not just for the C-Max, but for all cars. When you clear all codes in the computer, emissions tests will require a specific amount of miles/time driven before they will accept results as a pass. This is to prevent you from hiding a known emissions problem by clearing the codes just before taking the car in for its emissions test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) I took my C-Max to the local Ford dealer to take care of the recall issues and get a State Inspection sticker. After 3 days the C-Max was returned without an inspection sticker and the service ticket had a note stating the emissions test had failed. This car has less than 20k miles and the dealer failed to address a critical warranty issue with 2 weeks to state inspection sticker expiration. Has anyone else experienced this?On my last inspection (of an older Civic), I was surprised to find that here in CA, they don't actually test the tail pipe emissions - they only check the computer to ensure everything is working right. They had just cleared the computer codes because I didn't tighten the gas cap enough (Doh!), and I drove it about a hundred miles, then took it in for the test and it passed. I'd drive yours on the highway for another 50 miles and then take it back in.EDIT: Make sure it is highway miles, so that the ICE is running, to make sure the car accumulates enough data to provide a sample to the inspection station. Edited November 17, 2014 by stevedebi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisl Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 On my last inspection (of an older Civic), I was surprised to find that here in CA, they don't actually test the tail pipe emissions - they only check the computer to ensure everything is working right. They had just cleared the computer codes because I didn't tighten the gas cap enough (Doh!), and I drove it about a hundred miles, then took it in for the test and it passed. Depends on the age of the vehicle-- I had a 98 Saturn and they always did a tailpipe test (up to last year), but it looks like if your car is 2000 or newer, they hook up to the OBD-II only and use engine diagnostics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevedebi Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Depends on the age of the vehicle-- I had a 98 Saturn and they always did a tailpipe test (up to last year), but it looks like if your car is 2000 or newer, they hook up to the OBD-II only and use engine diagnostics.Sorry, I should have mentioned that. Yes it is for newer cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Experiencing a similar issue here. The dealer says there are four codes that won't clear. Our ODBC2 reader shows only one. They gave me the car to drive for a while, and I've been driving in a variety of traffic conditions, trying to run the ICE as much as possible. Put over 250 miles on the car and still the codes haven't cleared. My service advisor told me this morning they're going to contact Ford and see if there's something else they can do. So I'm driving around with an expired inspection sticker. If Ford can't figure out anything today, I'm going to apply for a waiver so I won't have to pay a fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomoto Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 So I'm driving around with an expired inspection sticker. If Ford can't figure out anything today, I'm going to apply for a waiver so I won't have to pay a fine. On a side note for Texans: "The State of Texas will stop issuing inspection stickers and transition to a “Two Steps, One Sticker” vehicle inspection and registration program. Beginning March 1, 2015, vehicles will no longer be issued an inspection sticker. Your registration sticker will serve as a combined proof of registration and inspection." http://txdmv.gov/motorists/register-your-vehicle/two-steps-one-sticker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yep. I plan on getting the next inspection in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Experiencing a similar issue here. The dealer says there are four codes that won't clear. Our ODBC2 reader shows only one. They gave me the car to drive for a while, and I've been driving in a variety of traffic conditions, trying to run the ICE as much as possible. Put over 250 miles on the car and still the codes haven't cleared. My service advisor told me this morning they're going to contact Ford and see if there's something else they can do. So I'm driving around with an expired inspection sticker. If Ford can't figure out anything today, I'm going to apply for a waiver so I won't have to pay a fine. Your S/A is an idiot. Driving the car won't clear DTC's. You need to take it back to a competent dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Except some of the codes DID clear after driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Except some of the codes DID clear after driving. Yes, the P0000/P1000 will clear when the monitors run after about 50 miles of driving. If you don't have an IDS,you won't know if the others have cleared because cheap code readers are not able to read all the systems. Edited January 8, 2015 by drdiesel1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) JulieB, OBDII readers can read all codes that illuminate the check engine light and set the appropriate emissions readiness bits (emissions monitor information) to not ready. So, it's not material that other non emission systems have faults and the OBDII reader can't read the codes that do not illuminate the check engine light. If the fault(s) that cause the CEL to illuminate are still present (apparently there is still one code after 250 miles of driving), the CEL will remain on, What is the code that will not clear? Does your ODBii reader show the "readiness bits"? If yes, what are the bits status? Are you still under the 3/36 B2B Ford Warranty? Also, the attachment shows the OBDII drive cycle. If you've driven 250 miles, you likely have completed the requirements of the drive cycle. Even if you did not complete the drive cycle, the dealer should complete the drive cycle to see if the codes clear and fix the problem if you are still under warranty. Ford OBD Drive Cycle.pdf Edited January 8, 2015 by Plus 3 Golfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL Tech Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Cant you read all OBD codes in the ETM menu? Can you clear codes out of ETM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestead Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yes, the P0000/P1000 will clear when the monitors run after about 50 miles of driving. If you don't have an IDS,you won't know if the others have cleared because cheap code readers are not able to read all the systems.Dr D. What code reader do you suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Dr D. What code reader do you suggest. Unfortunately, I can't recommend anything other than the Factory IDS for 100% coverage.I have the IDS, the Snap-On Verus Pro and an Auto Enginuity as well as some others, but the only one guaranteedto read 100% of the systems DTC's and data is the Ford IDS.I know the AE should read 90% plus, but I've never compared them to know for sure. The Snap-On Verus won't and it'sa $10K tool. The problem with aftermarket scan tools is related to the need to try and cover all vehicles. The IDS only covers Ford/Lincoln Mercury products. It's a guaranteed 100% coverage. The next one would be the AE.They seem to have a lot more coverage than anyone else's tool and you can buy the generic scan tool and add the manufacturerof choice to get the enhanced data information for the specific selection of brand(s) It's probably the cheapest way for an ownerto cover the vehicle(s) they own without buying into a system for $10K that covers all vehicles up to about 80%. People think the cheap code readers will read all PCM, DTC's, but that's 100% totally incorrect. They willread misfire and emission DTC's because that's what's mandated by the US DOT. Everything else is proprietaryand only tool manufacturers that are willing to pay for the rights to access (snap-on, AE, ETC.) will read thatinformation. It's the same as DTC definitions. Notice you can't find much for those proprietary DTC's anywhere.It's the same thing. You need to pay for it. All Data, Mitchell and Identifix all pay and have subscription baseddata bases to access that information for repair shops to gain access to the factory information. Other than that, it's not worth spending money on code readers unless you only want to read misfire andemission based DTC's. Factory is always best. It's never cheap and that's another reason to leave it tothe professionals, unless you're a true DIY'er that's willing to spend at least $3K. Don't forget all the control modules that aren't part of the PCM.Here's a topical system diagram. Have fun reading DTC's and data from these control moduleswith your $10 generic code reader. Click on this image and have a look. Edited January 9, 2015 by drdiesel1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) JulieB, OBDII readers can read all codes that illuminate the check engine light and set the appropriate emissions readiness bits (emissions monitor information) to not ready. So, it's not material that other non emission systems have faults and the OBDII reader can't read the codes that do not illuminate the check engine light. If the fault(s) that cause the CEL to illuminate are still present (apparently there is still one code after 250 miles of driving), the CEL will remain on, What is the code that will not clear? Does your ODBii reader show the "readiness bits"? If yes, what are the bits status? Are you still under the 3/36 B2B Ford Warranty? Also, the attachment shows the OBDII drive cycle. If you've driven 250 miles, you likely have completed the requirements of the drive cycle. Even if you did not complete the drive cycle, the dealer should complete the drive cycle to see if the codes clear and fix the problem if you are still under warranty. Unfortunately this is incorrect information. It's completely false and you shouldn'tmake such erroneous and misleading statements making others think it's possible. I can assure you and everyone else, it's NOT POSSIBLE with cheap code readers. Edited January 9, 2015 by drdiesel1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Here's a little test for the code readers. What are these DTC's related to ?Can you find any info on these. I know they can't read them, but, I just thoughtI would see how much info anyone can find without paying for it. These are Ford C-Max proprietary DTC's. Click to view: Edited January 9, 2015 by drdiesel1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbob Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Here's a little test for the code readers. What are these DTC's related to ?Can you find any info on these. I know they can't read them, but, I just thoughtI would see how much info anyone can find without paying for it. These are Ford C-Max proprietary DTC's. Click to view:Untitled-2.jpg From OBDSM1402_HEV.PDF P0DC2 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "F" Stuck Off.P0DC5 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "G" Stuck On.P0DC6 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "G" Stuck OffP0DC9 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "H" Stuck OnP0DCA - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "H" Stuck OffP0DCD - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "I" Stuck On.P0DCE. Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "I" Stuck OffP0DD1 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "J" Stuck On Sorry, couldn't resist :clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 From OBDSM1402_HEV.PDF P0DC2 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "F" Stuck Off.P0DC5 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "G" Stuck On.P0DC6 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "G" Stuck OffP0DC9 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "H" Stuck OnP0DCA - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "H" Stuck OffP0DCD - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "I" Stuck On.P0DCE. Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "I" Stuck OffP0DD1 - Hybrid/EV Battery Cell Balancing Circuit "J" Stuck On Sorry, couldn't resist :clapping:That's pretty good..........Can you elaborate on where you were able to get that info ?Do you have a Ford manual or some other data base info ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 That's actually Ford Motorcraft information. Was that FREE ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdiesel1 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Okay! Find this one B10AF:19 ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbob Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 http://www.motorcraftservice.com/vdirs/diagnostics/pdf/OBDSM1402_HEV.pdf for the PODCx stuff, that's free. B10AF:19 - Blower Fan Relay: Circuit Current Above Threshold - that's from the online service manual, which isn't free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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