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Sure has been quite on the news front for a while. :headscratch: Like I said I will be going to Car Show at the Atlanta Convention Center this Saturday and see if I can find someone at the FORD display that knows anything. :) These Post should be in the Model E thread. Paul

I hate when that happens.LOL I'm afraid this is old news dated August 2016 and building Model E in Mexico, I'm wondering if there is going to be a 2018 CMAX, their running out of time. :headscratch: Paul

I have added more Tips to the first Post. :) Paul

You need to go to the "How to improve winter MPG's" Thread to get all the info. :) http://fordcmaxhybridforum.com/topic/5511-how-to-improve-winter-mpgs/ You should be able to get into the 40's mpg if you don't use you heater and follow the tips. Snow tires you could be losing 2-3 mpg. Paul

I did a test of a KIA NIRO EX at KIA of LaGrange, GA with my Prius/Highlander Hybrid friend Tony driving the NIRO and me driving my CMAX behind them so we would have as close as possible driving conditions comparison of MPG's for both cars. Tony said it drove very similar to his Highlander Hybrid concerning Throttle response and general Hybrid operation. We went 11.7 miles, 5 miles FWY and 6.7 miles 45-35mph city to get 48.4 mpg for NIRO EX and 52.8mpg /7 mi. EV for my 2013 CMAX SEL. As far as conditions go it was 58F*, Salesman had the Niro running for around ten minutes while he explained all the features, got seat and mirrors adjusted. The last thing the Salesman did was reset the trip gauge to start the test drive. I just followed behind them, but not to close and I didn't get separated from them during the test drive so everything worked as hoped. :) What I have learned is KIA NIRO gets very close to EPA numbers, but My CMAX driven the way FORD Engineers Designed it to driven can easily do as good. It is unfortunate that FORD's CMAX Manual only says drive smoothly to improve Gas mileage, instead of how the Engineers designed to be driven. It took a number of CMAX drivers on the CMAX Forum w/OBDII gauges to figure out the most efficient way to drive the car. You need to drive more aggressively( 2 Bar acceleration method) than a Prius/NIRO, this charges the HVB quicker so you spend less time with the ICE running and more EV time. For those that think CMAX is like Prius/ NIRO Hybirds, well it isn't. It has the same Hybrid system as CMAX Energi Plugin just without the big HVB and Plug. You can go 85 mph in EV and rarely does the ICE and EV work at the same time. If the ICE is running, it is moving the car and charging the battery. If you let off the accelerator the EV takes over and ICE stops. I'm satisfied I've covered everything I was hoping to cover and see no need to test anymore. :) Paul

I did a test of a KIA NIRO EX at KIA of LaGrange, GA with my Prius/Highlander Hybrid friend Tony driving the NIRO and me driving my CMAX behind them so we would have as close as possible driving conditions comparison of MPG's for both cars. Tony said it drove very similar to his Highlander Hybrid concerning Throttle response and general Hybrid operation. We went 11.7 miles, 5 miles FWY and 6.7 miles 45-35mph city to get 48.4 mpg for NIRO EX and 52.8mpg /7 mi. EV for my 2013 CMAX SEL. As far as conditions go it was 58F*, Salesman had the Niro running for around ten minutes while he explained all the features, got seat and mirrors adjusted. The last thing the Salesman did was reset the trip gauge to start the test drive. I just followed behind them, but not to close and I didn't get separated from them during the test drive so everything worked as hoped. :) What I have learned is KIA NIRO gets very close to EPA numbers, but My CMAX driven the way FORD Engineers Designed it to driven can easily do as good. It is unfortunate that FORD's CMAX Manual only says drive smoothly to improve Gas mileage, instead of how the Engineers designed to be driven. It took a number of CMAX drivers on the CMAX Forum w/OBDII gauges to figure out the most efficient way to drive the car. You need to drive more aggressively( 2 Bar acceleration method) than a Prius/NIRO, this charges the HVB quicker so you spend less time with the ICE running and more EV time. For those that think CMAX is like Prius/ NIRO Hybirds, well it isn't. It has the same Hybrid system as CMAX Energi Plugin just without the big HVB and Plug. You can go 85 mph in EV and rarely does the ICE and EV work at the same time. If the ICE is running, it is moving the car and charging the battery. If you let off the accelerator the EV takes over and ICE stops. I'm satisfied I've covered everything I was hoping to cover and see no need to test anymore. :) Paul

Where did you find that info? I'm going to the Atlanta Car Show next weekend and see if FORD has any info. :) Paul

That's strange, They got back with me the same day. Will see if my hat shows up in the next couple of days and let up know. Paul

The highest MPG average Fuelly is 2015 at 26.9 mpg, maybe he meant 28 mpg. :) Paul

Don't know what to make of it, need more info. :headscratch: Paul

Now look who's Bias, right off the start the CMAX is quicker, I have driven 3 NIRO's now. Are you trying to tell us you didn't notice a difference between CMAX and NIRO from 0-30 mph? Here is a NIRO YouTube video 0-60 mph test with ECO Mode 11.5 sec. and Sport Mode 11.4sec. http://www.tflcar.com/2017/02/fast-2017-kia-niro-hybrid-0-60-mph/ With 205-60R16 the NIRO has a softer ride than My CMAX with 50psi tires, but I like the light feel of the steering wheel and precise directional stability of the CMAX. The NIRO feels a little spongy from the bigger side walls. For me the CMAX just handles better than the NIRO, I don't like sliding the tires. :sad: My considerations for a new car is it has to be as good as the one I'm driving or better and the NIRO doesn't do anything better. The exterior is fine, interior is a little cheap looking, and I like the Smart Gauge better with more info to improve MPG's. It looks like to me I could get CMAX Titanium for a $1000 less than a NIRO Touring. FORD would probably give more for a trade in. :) Tomorrow I'm doing another test drive with a Prius/Highlander Hybrid Friend driving the NIRO and me following in my CMAX to get an accurate comparison on fuel mileage. :) Paul PS: I'm working on a video on How to get good Gas Mileage in a FORD CMAX/Fusion Hybrid that shows exactly how to do it.There is no reason why anyone willing to pay attention to their driving can't get as good fuel mileage as I do. I'm not keeping it a secret. :) FWIW

Glad too and that pic is ICE & Trans together. :) Paul

As far as I know all CMAX trans are covered for 8yrs/ 100k mi. and mine was replaced at 98k mi. at no cost. :) Paul

raadsel did you read Post 22 from other NIRO comparison theard? I test drove a KIA NIRO FE from Thornton Road Kia in Lithia Springs, GA for a 27 mi. test drive, temp 66*F/no wind, 10m. HWY and 17 mi., 35-40 mph City getting 54.4 mpg which is very good. BTW I don't like the tires, they don't inspire confidence under hard cornering like the CMAX and probably the Touring's wider tires.I was hoping to duplicate the route with my CMAX, but the roads the Salesman took me on aren't on my GPS's so I ended up driving SR's at 50-55mph for 28 mi, but still managed to get 55.3mpg., I think I lost about 5mpg because of the difference. :sad: At 35-40 mph I should be getting 65-80mpg, at 50-55mph, 55-65MPG. Bottom line My 2013 CMAX SEL gets better MPG's than the the most fuel efficient KIA NIRO FE. :)The 2017 CMAX got 46.3 mpg in the rain. :) Paul

I tried Sport mode and it didn't change the performance off the line at all and I thought it turned it into a manual trans. I think they showed me how to shift it. :headscratch: With CMAX you have it right at the start. :shift: The NIRO just doesn't have the acceleration at anytime during the 0-60 mph run that a CMAX does. :drop: I don't know what they are doing with the 190 ft/lb of torque, but it isn't doing a very good job of accelerating. :sad: Paul

Interesting most reviews mention the 190 ft/lb of Torque yet having driven 3 NIRO's I never feel it. :headscratch: They didn't like the lag time of the accelerator either, CMAX owners wouldn't too. :sad: Paul

Send them a message, I got a quick response to my hat shortage. :) Paul

Got my shirts today. :) Paul

It seems like I changed the battery in one of my fob's couple of years ago with no problems, I believe I did it because of the range wasn't very good. :sad: Paul

I ordered 2 hats and payed for 2, I got one today :) :sad: so I need to contact the seller. Paul

Interesting that they came up with the similar review that I did. :) Paul

I wonder if the noise canceling isn't working ? Paul

What were you doing before the smoke? Braking hard, accelerating hard? :headscratch: Paul

I check Fuelly to see how the NIRO average is doing. :) There are 3 listed with a total of 4568 miles and 99.9 gal for 45.7 mpg, still need a lot more miles to get a true reading. Little tires are getting better MPG's than big tires. 2017 Prius V 5 cars, 17,316 miles and 38.7mpg. There are no 2017 CMAX's Paul

I use a ScanGaugeII, it's more expensive $159, use to be $119 4yrs ago. :sad: I was happy when they raised the max EV speed to 85mph, because I use EV 40-50% of the time when driving on the FWY. Had fun with 20-30 mph tail wind going clear across NM about 360 miles averaging around 70mph and 60 mpg. :yahoo: Even with the winds changing to a cross wind in TX and OK, I still averaged 55mpg and 51.7%EV when I filled up in OK City. :) Paul