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OK, Guys I test drove 2017 CMAX Titanium and I know I got over 62mph on the FWY and my 2013 goes 86mpg in EV. :) Congratulations :welcome: Paul

Is your HVB full? Paul

Here is a couple more: http://autotk.com/0-60-times/ford/c-max-hybrid/ https://www.edmunds.com/ford/c-max-hybrid/2013/road-test-2/ both with 8.1 sec. And another one at 8.2sec. http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/c-max/2013/2013-ford-c-max-hybrid-sel-first-test and MPGomatic said it was faster with Traction Control off. :shrug: I think mine is faster IMO. See if I can figure out a way to do it accurately. :) Paul

I ordered 2 :yahoo: LOL Paul

I ordered 2 :yahoo: LOL Paul

Just checked Fuelly and still only 2 NIRO's listed with 44.9 average MPG. Paul

I thought about your statement and you are probably right, but why would I get second best. :shrug: If I get a New Car it would have to be better than what I have and NIRO wouldn't be better than what I have IMO. :) Maybe FORD MODEL E will be better, we will see. Paul

Wait a minute Frank, Car and Driver says 2017 CMAX 7.9 sec. http://www.caranddriver.com/ford/c-max, Sonata Hybrid 8.1 sec. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-hyundai-sonata-hybrid-test-review :) I like EVing everywhere, HWY, CITY, uphill, down hill and on the level. I like EVing from 0 to 50 mph or more depending on SOC. (State of Charge) :) Can't do all of that with NIRO. :sad: Paul

I posted this on first post. Today I drove a 2017 KIA NIRO FE from Thornton Road Kia in Lithia Springs, GA for a 27 mi. test drive, temp 66*F/no wind, 10m. HWY and 17 mi., 35-40 mph City getting 54.4 mpg which is very good. BTW I don't like the tires, they don't inspire confidence under hard cornering like the CMAX and probably the Touring's wider tires.I was hoping to duplicate the route with my CMAX, but the roads the Salesman took me on aren't on my GPS's so I ended up driving SR's at 50-55mph for 28 mi, but still managed to get 55.3mpg., I think I lost about 5mpg because of the difference. :sad: At 35-40 mph I should be getting 65-80mpg, at 50-55mph, 55-65MPG. Bottom line My CMAX gets better MPG's than the the most fuel efficient KIA NIRO FE. :) Paul

I'm sure my Coefficient of Drag has decreased with Grill Covers and Wheel Covers, but I don't know how much. :headscratch: I got back from driving to AZ and back and it looks like I averaged about 47.5 MPG's with temps 28-70*F with a little rain and a lot of winds. That's 9.5mpg better than EPA. I had stretches where I had uphill headwinds where I was only getting 32mpg :sos: and another going downhill with tailwind about 350mi. in NM where I average 60mpg. :yahoo: I went out I-20/I-10 and came back I-40/I-22/I-20. Paul

No MPG estimates?

I was disappointed that I never felt NIRO's extra torque during my two test drives. :sad: The first thing CMAX owners will notice when they first drive the NIRO is the lack of response to the accelerator pedal, we are use to the car moving when we barely touch the accelerator, with the NIRO nothing happens. :sos: You have to push down what seem like a 3rd of the way before things start moving, by that time you have to floor it to keep from getting rear ended. :sad: You can easily feel the difference in acceleration when accelerating hard. :) In the final analyse the main reason members were interested in the KIA NIRO was the better gas mileage. For me my testing showed that the NIRO doesn't get better MPG's than the 2017 CMAX Hybrid. My test of CMAX with rain the whole time of test (rain sensing wipers worked great :)) with 40% HWY(65mph) and 46.3mpg average vs NIRO Touring half hour later with wet roads and 45-55mph speeds getting 37.9 mpg average. Even with test bias against CMAX it still beat NIRO by 8.4 mpg which is 2.4 mpg better than NIRO EX 6mpg over Touring. Add to that I'm averaging about 52mpg in my CMAX for the last year(NIRO FE EPA combined is 50mpg) there is no reason not to get a CMAX if I buy a new car. If above wasn't enough I could add CMAX Titanium has an overall better driving experience, has all goodies I have plus more, plus nicer looking interior and the price quote was $1,000 cheaper. :) Paul

Just checked and there were only 24 Hybrids in a hundred mile radius and half were 2016's. You can't sell what you don't have. Paul

Raadsel it looks like you don't have NIRO or CMAX brochures, because you have alot of miss information. I have a NIRO brochure and FORD Dealer CMAX ordering Guide. I will try to straighten things out here, you sure write alot. :sad: It all comes down to test driving the two cars. :) sorry about the length this Post CMAX Members :sad: Paul

Tire standard size is 225/50R17 V93. :) Paul

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I don't get it, it has bigger HVB and 43 hp motor, but they really don't use it. Like I said, improved some over Prius V. :sad: No real match to CMAX IMO. :) Paul

Thanks, got it. :) Paul

They didn't say what size, it would be good to find a hat too. :) Paul

Can you post Life Time pic so I can up date your info. I want you to have some fun so I won't post mine. :) Paul

Can you post Life Time pic so I can up date your info. I want you to have some fun so I won't post mine. Paul

Here is some more info: All cars were started cold and the 2 NIRO's and Prius V, I was the first driver to drive them. The CMAX had 30 miles on it before I drove it. The first Niro OT was 63*F, 2nd NIRO and CMAX were 55*F with wet roads and with CMAX it was raining. Prius V was also low 60's*F and at 6900ft of elevation, not sure how much difference that would make. It was interesting comparing the cars and feeling the differences in ride, response to the accelerator, acceleration, EV operation and usefulness, handling and seat feel. Being very familiar with the CMAX I could feel the differences in rolling resistance and lighter feel of the steering wheel between factory 38psi on 2017 CMAX and 50psi which I run in mine. They also added a ECO( Prius) switch which makes the accelerator act more like you were driving a Prius, hated it. :sad: They did add Bliss, blind spot warning when cars are next to you. I wish I had plugin my ScanGaugeII when I did the test drive so could have monitored SOC and WT. :sad: I really like the Empower Display in CMAX, apparently the other cars aren't design to drive in EV only. If I get more free time I might go on some more test drives. :) It's fun, but dealing with pushy Sales Managers is annoying. :sad: Paul

Went up again even though I just got back from trip to AZ. 48.6 MPG :)

I test drove top of line KIA NIRO Touring at Peoria KIA in Pheonix, AZ last week with mixed reviews . The NIRO only had 3 miles on it. Exterior looks nice, interior looks a little cheap for Top of the Line($33k) and didn't have rain sensing wipers or hands free automatic hatchback. It reminded me of an improved Prius V without the extra space, the EV Mode is gutless and above 40 mph the ICE is on all the time unless your gliding. It was nice at the end of trip it displays Trip Info: miles and MPG's average. I drove 16 miles with KIA Salesman, 7 HWY(65 mph on the 101Loop) and 9 mi City(35-45mph) getting 45.1 MPG average working on getting good MPG's. On the FWY the only way I could get the ICE to shut off was to glide. NIRO is noticeably lighter, but I don't think it handles better than My CMAX. As far as acceleration goes CMAX is in a class by itself. IMO NIRO Touring isn't as nice as my CMAX SEL. BTW I had 54 mpg average on my 2013 CMAX with about 75 mi. FWY and 25mi. City on this fill up when I test drove the NIRO. I drove a Prius V 2017 model 3 from Findley Toyota Flagstaff, AZ to try to have a up to date comparison with 2017 KIA NIRO Touring. The car seems nice, the suspension was a little stiffer than the NIRO and felt a little heavier not sure about the handling, it definitely accelerates slower than the Nero( some power is lost from being at 6900ft elevation) and of course no comparison to the CMAX. The car only had a few miles on it and after approx 7 mi.HWY/City Loop it's average was 44.5 mpg's. It's very obvious KIA was going after Prius owners, NIRO Salesman said Prius owners bought their NIRO's. IMO I don't think CMAX Owners would get much worse mpg's than NIRO and 2017 CMAX TITANIUM Is overall a better Hybrid experience. I wanted to compare a 2017 FORD CMAX Titanium to 2017 KIA NIRO Touring and 2017 TOYOTA Prius V Model 3 so I test drove one from AutoNation FORD just off I-85 FWY in Union City, GA. Weather Conditions weren't great with 55*F and rain, ( figured to loose 1 mpg from 8*F lower temp than NIRO Test and a couple from the rain but I decided to go ahead anyways. So I started down I-85 for 7 mi. got off FWY and took country roads( 55-45 mph) back to the Dealer for a total of 20.4 mi. I was pleasantly surprised to get 46.3 mpg's average with 10.7 EV miles, 52% of the miles. As it turned out there was KIA of Union City Dealer a couple of blocks down the street from AutoNation FORD so I got the chance to drive another NIRO Touring with Salesman, He sent me down SR 138 for 6 miles and turned around and came back, I wanted to go on I-85. Speed was 45-55mph with wet road, but no rain. The average for twelve miles was 37.9 mpg, I would have thought it would have been better. The drive was about half an hour after CMAX drive with dryer road conditions, no rain and no difference in wind conditions. Today I drove a 2017 KIA NIRO FE from Thornton Road Kia in Lithia Springs, GA for a 27 mi. test drive, temp 66*F/no wind, 10m. HWY and 17 mi., 35-40 mph City getting 54.4 mpg which is very good. BTW I don't like the tires, they don't inspire confidence under hard cornering like the CMAX and probably the Touring's wider tires. I was hoping to duplicate the route with my CMAX, but the roads the Salesman took me on aren't on my GPS's so I ended up driving SR's at 50-55mph for 28 mi, but still managed to get 55.3mpg., I think I lost about 5mpg because of the difference. :sad: At 35-40 mph I should be getting 65-80mpg, at 50-55mph, 55-65MPG. Bottom line My CMAX gets better MPG's than the the most fuel efficient KIA NIRO FE. :) So results are: 2017 FORD CMAX Titanium 46.3 mpg 2017 KIA NIRO Touring #1 45.1 mpg 2017 KIA NIRO Touring #2 37.9 mpg 2017 KIA NIRO FE 54.4 mpg 2017 TOYOTA Prius V Model 3 44.5 mpg MY 2013 FORD CMAX SEL 55.3 mpg NOTE* Manufactures Displays tend to be optimistic by varying amounts, CMAX odometer is understated by 1.6 to 2% which can increase MPG's by up to 1 mpg. Paul