Marc Smith

Tiawwa I have a 2013 SEL with almost 36K miles. It has only been in the shop for the recalls. It has never left me stranded, and I've been getting good mileage here in VA. I had a prius before the Cmax. while I liked the prius and the 50+ mpg I think the interior quality of the cmax far superior.

My great grandfather, grandfather, and uncle ran a Gm dealership before GM filed for Bankruptcy protection. While my grandfather ran a tight ship, my uncle was a shady bastard.....and some of the sales guys they hired.... no scruples... I think you also need to keep you eyes on plumbers, AC guys, electricians.

Well dealers usually call it a pinstripe, floor mats, undercoating, paint protection, fabric protection, or a spoiler. Other common descriptions. Delivery fees, dealer prep, or processing fees.

Raad, the dealers around here do the 20% above KBB for your trade. what they don't tell you., but its in the fine print and the fast spoken legalease. its 20% above KBB fair, wholesale value. many folks go into a dealership thinking they'll get retail value for their car on a trade in. And then get pissed when the dealer throws the wholesale number at them.

Kev, whenI was looking to replace my Prius I drove from south of Dc to north of B-more to look at at Prius v. they did the whole low price thing to get me there, and then when i was ready to deal, the add-ons started popping up. car went from 18,999 to over 25K...and i was going to do the taxes and tags my self. dealers... ugh. i will say that I had a good experience with my chevy dealership in dealing with my wifes saturn Vue hybrid. took it in for what i thought was a transmission noise. ended up being just low on oil. did an oil change. they could have lied through their teeth and taken me to the cleaners. So every now and again there are some honest ones out there... there are a few out there and with fuel prices so low you could probably make some deals.. https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action/?stkTypId=28881&tracktype=usedcc&mkId=20015&AmbMkId=20015&AmbMkNm=Ford&make=Ford&AmbMdId=49085&AmbMdNm=C-Max%20Hybrid&model=C-Max%20Hybrid&mdId=49085&rd=150&zc=22182&searchSource=QUICK_FORM

I woudl think that when a dealer preps a used car. they would do a liquid extraction carpet cleaning. and given the temps hot in the afternoon and cool at night... could explain the condensation.

also keep in mind that you may have to make an extra stop for the extra fuel you are using so the time savings of an hour may end only being 30 minutes... Its taken me nearly 20 years of driving to finally "slow down" I used to run 8-10 mph over the limit with only a couple speed tax payments to show for it. With the hybrid I've been running at most 5 over, and with my daughter now a student driver with a permit I've gotta make better habits..

In theory every collision/accident is preventable. Not sure whats more gut wrenching, the damage to my vehicle, or that fact that a cherry classic 911 Porsche got wrinkled.

I had no options... and the above description is what I gave my insurance company, which also happens to be his insurance company, no either way they are on the hook. Police came and did an exchange of info. not sure if the guy got a ticket or not.

on the way to work yesterday. i was cruising in the left hand lane doing 50 in a 45 zone. i was approaching slower traffic in the right lane when the 911 comes zipping up on my right hand side puts his turn signal on and starts to come over. I tap the horn, he continues to come over. I edge left and but stay on road so I don't go into the ditch and ease off the gas. he continues to come over. and I apply the brakes he ended up in the high sided in the ditch...I've got some minor fender and bumper damage.

I could a .1 gallon partial tank fill from the house to the service station. and get like 250 mpg... so yes yous see the spike but it could easily be discounted. and it won't really affect your avg MPG since i think fuelly is traking total gallons and total miles overall and not just adding tanks and averaging most to of my fillip are in the 10-12 gallon range and and I can't think that I've ever done a partial fill if you click on the chart all fillups http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/c-max/2013/fbov/223863/fuelchart http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/c-max/2013/marcsmith/292586/fuelchart yes is a line graph and does rolloer coaster around but you can see that its lower in the cold months... it woudl probably be easy enough to export the data to excell and plat your own graphs..

my 5c charges with the usb port., as does my ipod classic I generally use the 12v plug though so I can keep the phone clipped near the mft for gps and pandora searches

frank fuelly does a similar graph but with MPG my MPG started going down in NOV (winter fuel and heater use) and did not start climbing again until march. something always seems to screw me up on a tank. bad weather or some highway miles, rain, ect... I hope this winter I can do better than 38. my florida trip really hurt highway through snow... and I know I keep talking about putting grill blockers on. but its juts not high on the priority list...

no doubt....hell, bring it in with you when you make a deal. I found this as well. too bad... http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/unsoldcars.asp

yeah they are not going to have to build any new cars if there is a mass buy back. already enough cars just parked and waiting for owners. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/where-worlds-unsold-cars-go-die kinda makes you wonder if you could get some real good deals from these over stocked lots

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i've been filling up normally in the mid 500's closest gas station to me is 5 miles away on my to/from work. so if I pass it by. its another 10 miles until I get back to it, and I normally don't like fueling up inthe morning. it means I have to leave even earlier so it means another 20 miles. until I pass it on my way home. there are other gas stations, but this is is right off the road I'm driving on so its real convinent. and far enough away from DC to not get the huge markups. basically if you average and mpg indicated of 45 or above getting to 600 should be easy. but its still a nail biter when the gauge turns red though... miles gallons mpg 608.00 12.410 48.99 528.00 12.000 44.00 587.40 12.360 47.52 608.00 12.400 49.03 585.00 11.700 50.00 554.00 11.710 47.31 568.00 12.060 47.10 561.00 11.880 47.22 583.00 12.400 47.02 1,074.00 23.300 46.09 (big trip saved fuel recpits and entered as one tank) 463.00 11.600 39.91 2,466.00 62.000 39.77 (trip to FLA and back in february drove through snow storm entered all receipts as one tank.) 505.00 13.000 38.85 480.00 12.400 38.71 520.00 12.500 41.60 598.00 13.100 45.65 570.00 12.800 44.53 640.80 13.080 48.99 603.00 13.200 45.68 487.00 11.500 42.35 548.40 12.700 43.18 576.30 13.700 42.07 523.00 11.700 44.70 521.00 12.000 43.42 372.00 8.600 43.26 536.00 12.310 43.54 137.00 3.060 44.77 547.90 12.800 42.80 Tank #1

Dropped the cmax off at Koons Sterling ford at 7:30 had the following work done. 15b04 12v battery recall 15e03 Powertrain control module reprogram 14s21 Restraint control module total parts 528 total labor 377 FoMoCo picked up the tab. and they took e me home and came and got me 4 hours later and come get the car. Service with a smile.

606 miles 12.41 gallons pumped 352mi on ev average speed of 24 mph could have gone another 48 miles before dry...

there have been thousands of federally mandated recalls that affect vehicle safety (which in turn potentially affects the safety of people who don't own the car). And never once has any vehicle ever been forced to be parked. I just don't see th Feds or states forcing that in this case. Here in norther va. Inspections are done by private parties. But the emmisions equipment is linked to the state dot. However we don't even do sniff tests any more. They just plug into the computer. And if both computers say everything is ok...you get the pass The real sticky wicket is the fact the VW engineers conspired to knowingly figuring out how to beat the test and doing so for a few years....that why I believe the penalties levied need to substantial to discourage other car makers. But those penalizes. Need to include a fool proof method of getting cars fixed or off the road. Which may mean as suggested a buy back. But it would have to be a high enough price(much better than fmv) to really entice current owners to sell. It will be interesting to see what happens

ok, Lets say that VW comes up with a fix.. I guess I should say we all know that VW will come up with a fix. And we all know that not all car owners follow all the rules/laws. Is there anyway to force all the offending cars to get fixed? IE the car makers has to send out the recall notice. and when the car is produced the work has to be done. But nothing says that the car owner HAS to bring the car in. If I owned a car and I brought my car in for a recall, when I got the car back, I was told, "well you aren't polluting as much any more, Oh by the way we've taken 20HP and 50 lbft of torque, and added about 100 lbs of stuff, taken away trunk space, reduced your MPG and added another maintenance item for you... Have a nice day" I'd not be too inclined to want to have the recall work done. Even if VW tell is customers. Hey, we'll cut you a check, but to get the check you have to have the recall done... Not sure I'd still be inclined to do the work. The car will still pass inspections.....

Just Run It In Test Mode One is to “reflash” the engine control module, recalibrating the software so the car always runs the way it does during EPA testing, and always meets emission standards. The downside here is that to achieve the drastic drop in NOx emissions, the cars in test mode sacrificed some fuel economy, or performance. Just how much is hard to say, but any drop in torque—one great thing about diesels is how they accelerate off the line—will not make drivers happy. And a drop in mileage would likely cost VW, since hundreds of thousands of drivers would have to spend more on fuel than VW promised at the time of sale. There’s precedent for this: Last year, the EPA forced Kia and Hyundai to downgrade fuel economy ratings on more than a million cars (they blamed “procedural errors” at a shared testing facility). The Korean automakers spent $395 million on a settlement with vehicle owners aggrieved over higher than expected fuel costs. how much did ford spend on a 4mpg drop... in the c max?? 800 bucks so if VW spend $800 on rebate checks per car that still 8.8 billion on top of any fines...world wide. not counting any private lawsuits....which probably will happen saw this site as well http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/09/heres-might-cost-fix-vw-car/ The long list of items needed to fit models of the Volkswagen Golf, Jetta, Beetle and Audi A3 doesn’t include the engineering needed to retrofit the cars and the costs to crash test the models after the significant modifications. That’ll add hundreds of millions to the bottom line. Our own Bozi Tatarevic provided his preliminary list of additions (retail prices) that would be needed for each car based on the systems included in the Passat TDI — which still didn’t pass: • Cooler ($361) • Aftertreatment Fuel Tank ($534) • Dosing Valve ($240) • DPFE ($105) • Temperature Sensor ($171) • EGR ($401) • Catalyst ($688) Total = $2,500 Bozi points out that the urea tank most likely couldn’t be installed into the rear trunks due to the corrosive nature of the fluid. The secondary tanks would likely need to be installed under the car, next to a smaller, also-replaced, fuel tank. That would be an additional cost to Volkswagen (hundreds of dollars for each car) and further necessitate all new safety ratings. The parts costs don’t take into account the hours of labor, which for a Jetta is 6-7 hours to change the diesel particulate filter alone. Such a substantial retrofit on their cars could take dozens of hours, incurring thousands in labor costs that Volkswagen would have to reimburse its dealers for. Labor rates, typically ~$100/hour, would likely be less for Volkswagen and the automaker would only reimburse dealers for the completion time detailed in the recall order. Any sort of recall repair work and would need to be weighed against the cost for VW to buy back its own cars, which for a 2009 Jetta TDI, starts at about $7,000.

All they have to do is tell the owners of the cars that they cannot drive them since they do not meet US safety and EPA guidelines. Yes it woudl be a hardship for the people that own them, as they'd then have to rent a car which means it would hurt VW in the wallet. Big time. Another option. Tell VW that they cannot sell any more cars(no matter the fuel or the brand) in the US until said problem is fixed. Its not like this is a screw up or an accident, this was a dedicated, premeditated fraud. And it affects more than just the people who purchased the vehicles. Bernhard and Krebs "realized that an AdBlue urea exhaust-treatment system would be needed to meet U.S. emissions standards," finance executives at Volkswagen found that solution to be too expensive, at more than $350 per vehicle. After the emissions scandal turned into an international recall last week, Volkswagen said it was setting aside more than $7 billion to deal with the problem. The company also faces the possibility of more than $17 billion in potential fines, in the U.S. alone. 17 billion in fines, 482,000 vehicles. thats $35,000 in fines per vehicle, just in the US alone if they are hit with the max fines, not counting the actual fix... makes the $350 fix seem quite a bit easy to swallow... and I imagine it was a much cheaper fix while the car was being built. 11 million cars world wide are affected by the fraud. if VW is fined an amount similar to the us fines. that would put VW in hock for about $380 billion in fines alone. in 2012 VW net assets were 408 billion. While I doubt other countries would fine VW as bad, but... ya never know. Could this be the end of VW???