spinnaker87 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 c max is a 39 mpg car.. like I was saying.. you may hypermile to 47 but in normal day to day it's a 37-39 mpg car. http://www.businessinsider.com/ford-is-being-sued-over-high-fuel-economy-claims-2013-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelnLa Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Well, it's a hybrid. So the car may be 39, but you toss in the electric and voila - bonus miles. Aptos Driver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aptos Driver Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Our '12 Camry XLE hybrid is averaging 40 mpg. It generates 200 combined HP, 12 more than the C-Max. If MPG is a prospective buyer's primary concern, the choice is six of one, half of the other. But for buyers who want the utility of a crossover, and power approaching the Camry's, the C-MAX may be the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelnLa Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Exactly. There are a lot of things other than the mpg that steered me towards the cmax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) CMAX mileage is going to keep going up thru summer and fall and will end up being similar to Prius V with better city and not quite as high hwy (aerodynamics). Then add in Grill Covers for a couple more MPG's better than Prius V. CMAX drives like a regular car not a Prius. Edited March 1, 2013 by ptjones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinnaker87 Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 c max is a good car no doubt... just not a 47 mpg car and Ford is going to get tagged on this one just like KIA/Hyundia for their overly optimistic projections. question is what are c max owners going to get as a settlement? gas card/ rebate/ ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-MaxJaxon Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 As long as Ford followed the EPA testing procedure correctly and the EPA's own (flawed for hybrid) testing of the C-Max comes close to the same numbers, I think it's unlikely that Ford will lose any of the lawsuits. If they want to sue anyone, it should be the EPA for continuing to use testing methods that don't show the real world performance. wab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkraider Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Except, it is a 47mpg car. Why do people ignore the "your mileage may vary" statement printed right under the 47mpg on the sticker? The test is specified by the EPA. Ford runs the test as specified by the EPA. The C-Max attained 47mpg on that test, as specified by the EPA. So if your driving style and conditions are similar to the EPA test, you will get 47mpg. YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY That disclaimer is on every window sticker and used in every ad. My Energi model is rated at 43mpg, and I have attained 46mpg consistently. RachelnLa and Adair 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinnaker87 Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46762. great write up and apples to apples comparison with Prius and insight into Cmax mileage shortfalls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DozerBob Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) My best drive to work yet. From Alicia Parkway in Orange County up the I 5 to the 10 West off at Cloverfield, typical Freeway driving between 55 and 62 some slow spots for traffic. Also was really low on fuel so the weight was was ideal for MPGe. Anyone else doing better? If not, try reading my "Surfing" post again, it honestly works.I'm driving an Energi so it also weighs more than the regular C-Max hybrid. Note the 0.0 kWh, it means no Plug-in power was used. Edited March 2, 2013 by DozerBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelnLa Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Love love love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkraider Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 My Energi model is rated at 43mpg, and I have attained 46mpg consistently. I feel the need to clarify. *I* get 46mpg. My wife who drives like an aggressive maniac, gets less. Although we have not done enough logging to figure out what her average is. I always cringe when she is driving the car for a day because she kills all my cool statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelnLa Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Hahahaha. This made me giggle. My husband has yet to drive Rainette. I wanted him to at first but now .... Not so much! Sitting in the drive thru for Chinese just now I was cringing. My stats go from great to okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus-A-CMax Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) DozerBob - no freaking way - thats awesome but to put the regular CMax against a fully charged energy is like a flyweight boxer vs heavyweight, get killed cause we have no muscle (aka batts) :worship: PS the fight is between you and Valk....I'm going to enjoy watching this :rockon: Hey Rachel - the wifey drove me home a couple of night ago in her Jaguar....oh man, did I feel like an old man driver in Maxine the way wifey hurled her Jaguar and gunned that car. I was thinking - hey...heres a part of the road I can coast and regen and she just fanged it doing 70+ and she brakes hard as well. She use to be a former racer. Edited March 2, 2013 by Jus-A-CMax GUZZI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelnLa Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 A hybrid is perfect for me. I like to zip around but I don't drive fast and brake hard. Opposites attract! I ask my husband how does he make it to work without me in the truck?! Several near misses ack!! GUZZI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roninsd Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) On my 166 mi. trip up Freeway 5 from SD to Irvine and back, I set my eco cruise to 67, and managed to get 41.3 mpg. On my commute I usually get 50+ going, 38ish coming home. IMO, the EPA is understood the EPA numbers (for any car) to mean it can reach that mpg, not that it will always get it. After driving a 25 mpg car for 7 years, I'm happy I chose this silver gray sucker! Edited March 2, 2013 by roninsd RachelnLa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asb Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Turnpike at 75 mph for three hours was 38 mpg. Daily driving with mixed city, highway, and traffic is 45 to 50 mpg. I think this is a 47 mpg car. ptjones, RachelnLa and Adair 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkraider Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) The EPA numbers are great for comparison only... That's all they are to be used for. They are not a guarantee of performance. If one wants to compare two vehicles the two vehicles need to be tested as close to the same way as possible. That's what the EPA tests are - is a very specific set if prescribed tests which are done the same for every vehicle. I think the whole problem could be averted if the EPA added one more test, a "sustained freeway speeds". Drive 10 miles at 45mph to warm up the vehicle.. Then drive 30 miles each at sustained speeds of 55mph, 65mph, 75mph, and 80mph. Display the results plotted on a line graph, so people can see that at sustained speeds here is what the vehicle got. Those speeds cover the range of legal freeway speeds in all but one place, and should be a good indicator of real world use. It's really all the EPA tests are lacking - the other 6 or 7 tests they already perform have the city, urban, and suburban travel types well covered. There should also be a standard about where any battery charge state should be at the start of any given test. Perhaps the sustained tests could recharge any batteries to full before testing each of the speeds. Or perhaps start with zero charge. If they wanted to get detailed they could run all of the current EPA tests at 4 different ambient temps, and require that the cabin be kept at 70 degrees. Use ambient temps of 30degrees. 50degrees. 70degrees. And 90degrees. Plot those on the same graph, So a consumer could quickly look at the conditions and see that a cars economy can vary wildly with temperature and speed. Edited March 2, 2013 by valkraider Adair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DozerBob Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) DozerBob - no freaking way - thats awesome but to put the regular CMax against a fully charged energy is like a flyweight boxer vs heavyweight, get killed cause we have no muscle (aka batts) :worship: PS the fight is between you and Valk....I'm going to enjoy watching this :rockon: Hey Rachel - the wifey drove me home a couple of night ago in her Jaguar....oh man, did I feel like an old man driver in Maxine the way wifey hurled her Jaguar and gunned that car. I was thinking - hey...heres a part of the road I can coast and regen and she just fanged it doing 70+ and she brakes hard as well. She use to be a former racer. Hey Jus a CMax, When the Energi is in EV-Later, we're only using 1.1 kwh of hybrid battery, no plug-in battery at all. Your C-Max hybrid has a 1.6 kwh battery to use for hybrid operation. So you guys actually have more muscle than we do in the Energi. Edited March 2, 2013 by DozerBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus 3 golfer Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Hey Jus a CMax, When the Energi is in EV-Later, we're only using 1.1 kwh of hybrid battery, no plug-in battery at all. Your C-Max hybrid has a 1.6 kwh battery to use for hybrid operation. So you guys actually have more muscle than we do in the Energi. C-Max Hybrid ===> 1.4 kWh batteryC-Max Energy ==> 7.6 kWh battery It's also my understanding that the hybrid also has 1.1 kWh for use in EV operation but can't locate the source. There needs to be a reserve in the 1.4 kWh battery. It cannot be drained to zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 It is curious that the hybrid has 2mi range and the energi has 20mi range with only a battery that is 5x the capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adair Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) It was my understanding that the C-Max will go 20 miles on battery alone. Does anyone know, or has anyone tried, to see at what speed you have to drive to go 20 miles on the battery? Edited March 2, 2013 by Adair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptjones Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 I thought there was a post on that from MikeB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsteblay Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 I live in Minnesota. We had a real heat wave last week - couple of days above freezing. I was getting 40-41 mpg on my commutes - 21 miles mostly freeway but with congestion 25% of the time. Have about 5K on the car and am seeing better mileage now. Really depends on how I drive though. I don't consider myself holding up traffic but I do need to be conservative on the gas pedal. I like the spunk it has when needed! Adair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DozerBob Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 Here's a interesting link to the different batteries.http://www.sae.org/mags/aei/11705 I've gone over 28 miles on the Energi's battery alone. Cruising below 45 on a long city street, Moulton Parkway, changes to Irvine Center, changes to Edinger. I will redo it and post the trip Summary next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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