Windows rolled themselves today

[homestead]

It's easy to test if it's a FOB being activated.  Get out of the car and lock as normal. Take the FOB out of your pocket and hang it up or place it on a tabel and see what happens. It the windows are still opening, then it's the car. If not, it's your FOB being activated in your pocket.

 

I've been leaning over to pick something up and set off my alarm from pressure on the FOB buttons.

 

 

 

Owners are always quick to blame the car. Most of the time, it's them and not the car ;)

That is a good test but make sure the FOB is out of range of the car ,  a defective FOB could send out the open windows signal without the button being depressed.

[drdiesel1]

That is a good test but make sure the FOB is out of range of the car ,  a defective FOB could send out the open windows signal without the button being depressed.

I doubt it's possible. Never had one capable of that. Most of the time it's activated while in a pocket, purse or by children.

 

Even the dogs and cats get in on the fun. We had a fun one with pennies.  Car would always blow the dome lamp fuse.

We could never find it and the owner was mad. He came in yelling on the last trip. I found a penny in the cigar lighter socket.

It seems his little girl was using it as a bank while she was in the car and would remove them when she got out. I guess she

couldn't get the last one out, this time.  Never heard form this guy again.  He never even said thanks ;)

Edited October 30, 2013 by drdiesel1

[salman]

It's easy to test if it's a FOB being activated.  Get out of the car and lock as normal. Take the FOB out of your pocket and hang it up or place it on a tabel and see what happens. It the windows are still opening, then it's the car. If not, it's your FOB being activated in your pocket.

 

I've been leaning over to pick something up and set off my alarm from pressure on the FOB buttons.

 

 

 

Owners are always quick to blame the car. Most of the time, it's them and not the car ;)

Dear Dr Diesel

 

In 30 years of car ownership I have never activated an alarm by accidentally pressing the keys in my pocket. Nor have I accidentally started a car with a remote start button. Nor do I think I am accidentally opening the windows on my C-Max.

 

The global open feature requires depressing the open button and holding it in that mode of at least 3 seconds. It also seems to require unlocking the doors first. That is a neat trick to pull off by accident.

 

My very good Ford Service Dept is not suggesting that I am the accidental culprit, nor are the Ford engineers.

 

If you read upthread you will see that early this year when I first reported the problem I researched Ford's record with this feature. On other models they have had problems with the feature for years and ultimately corrected the problem by finding a way to disable the feature. I suspect that is why the C-Max owner's manual says that dealer service can disable the feature upon request . . . except, surprise! Ford did not build the system on the C-Max with a safe way to disable it! Ford engineers say it cannot be done, at least not yet.

 

A few takeaway points:

 

1) The C-Max is not the only Ford to have had this problem.

 

2) The owner's manual promises a feature (disconnection of the global open feature) that does not seem to exist.

 

3) And, for the sake of argument, if it could be shown that the global open feature is being activated accidentally by the jumbling of keys in a pocket (where I keep them) or in a bag or any other typical place that most people keep keys, then the problem would be that the design of the keys is defective.

 

Your proposed test is not as easy nor as likely to be conclusive as you say. It would take months before one could think the test of keeping keys out-of-pocket was showing anything, and even then it would not be 100% conclusive, and even if it were conclusive it would still be a design defect, and a misrepresentation in the manual. 

 

4) Ford is not trying to claim the problem is the way I keep keys in my pocket.

[drdiesel1]

Dear Dr Diesel

 

In 30 years of car ownership I have never activated an alarm by accidentally pressing the keys in my pocket. Nor have I accidentally started a car with a remote start button. Nor do I think I am accidentally opening the windows on my C-Max.

 

The global open feature requires depressing the open button and holding it in that mode of at least 3 seconds. It also seems to require unlocking the doors first. That is a neat trick to pull off by accident.

 

My very good Ford Service Dept is not suggesting that I am the accidental culprit, nor are the Ford engineers.

 

If you read upthread you will see that early this year when I first reported the problem I researched Ford's record with this feature. On other models they have had problems with the feature for years and ultimately corrected the problem by finding a way to disable the feature. I suspect that is why the C-Max owner's manual says that dealer service can disable the feature upon request . . . except, surprise! Ford did not build the system on the C-Max with a safe way to disable it! Ford engineers say it cannot be done, at least not yet.

 

A few takeaway points:

 

1) The C-Max is not the only Ford to have had this problem.

 

2) The owner's manual promises a feature (disconnection of the global open feature) that does not seem to exist.

 

3) And, for the sake of argument, if it could be shown that the global open feature is being activated accidentally by the jumbling of keys in a pocket (where I keep them) or in a bag or any other typical place that most people keep keys, then the problem would be that the design of the keys is defective.

 

Your proposed test is not as easy nor as likely to be conclusive as you say. It would take months before one could think the test of keeping keys out-of-pocket was showing anything, and even then it would not be 100% conclusive, and even if it were conclusive it would still be a design defect, and a misrepresentation in the manual. 

 

4) Ford is not trying to claim the problem is the way I keep keys in my pocket.

Have you ever heard of the K.I.S.S. method ?  It's a simple test and a validation of what's at fault. Unintended activation or an actual glitch in the electronics.

 

I know owners that have 60 years of ownership and have had this problem.  I'm not blaming you.

It's just a 50/50 chance this could be the problem. You and the dealer could be chasing Ghosts......... :victory:

 

No need to get uptight about it.  It's just common sense and a viable solution to a common issue.... . 

I'm trying to offer an easy solution......... Take it or leave it.... It's not my problem.

Edited October 31, 2013 by drdiesel1

[C-MaxSea]

I had a similar situation my our traded MKX.

 

Wasn't a fob, it was a key with the buttons on it.

First time it happened (figured out after much research) I was lighting the fireplace.

Second getting a (special :worship:  yes dear) pan out of the back bottom of the cabinet.

 

Third and final I was changing the oil on my motorcycle and down the windows went.

 

Forced myself to develop the habit of NOT putting the keys in my pocket when I got home.

Put them in their own little box on the counter.

 

Problem solved.

 

Note: didn't take long to get the habit after having to go BACK in the house to get the keys a :nonono:  FEW :rant:  times.

 

That's a hoot Wab.  It has happened to me many, many times, both with my VW Eurovan key with buttons, and my garage door opener with a very small inset button.  Gardening with my manager (wife), bend over - zap, there goes the car lock;  turn mowing the lawn, there goes the garage door, playing with the kids  ..................................

Had to develop several hiding spots to leave keys around outside while working or playing.   And I still forget half the time.  :gaah:

[salman]

Picked up my car today. It was ready yesterday after 8 days in the shop.

 

The solution to the window self-opening problem was to disable the feature, which the manual says can be done by dealer service departments. The Ford tech hotline advised my service department to disable the feature, and the service department followed the tech hotline's instructions. Along the way the car was dead for about 6-7 days, as explained above. And when they pulled out the car today I tested the global open feature . . . . and it was still active, not disabled.

 

Given that my buy back case is under review I thought there was no point to giving service the car to work on again. But I did ask them to revise the service receipt to reflect the fact that the global open feature is still active (i.e, the procedure to disable global open did not work). They also needed to revise the service receipt to reflect the car passing through the valley of death during its time in the shop. 

 

When a buy back case is initiated the normal service routine changes a little bit. Issues get booted up to the service manager and Ford starts to consider whether they should cut their losses. To the extent a buy back is likely, then it makes less sense to expend a lot of money on repairs. Of course, if Ford were to try to refuse a buy back, then Ford remains responsible for the warranty (unless and until a buy back is won in arbitration or in court).

 

I still think very highly of the service dept at Airport Marina Ford. They've done all the right things. The problems are in the engineering end of the company.

 

Car ran beautifully on the way home. The CMax is a great idea. When it works it is a great car. But reliability issues and down time in the shop and the failure of engineering to find fixes for their problems  (and projected repair costs post warranty when the shop time would be on my tab! yowzaaa!) are a killer for me.

[mikekoz]

  This happened to our Cmax yesterday. We left in my wife's Escape to go to get a few things, and when we returned, all of the Cmax's windows were open. It was not caused by the key controller hitting something in my pocket as I was nowhere around. The two controllers we have were in the house on top of a dresser and a basket right near the front door. This happened once before. Fortunately, it was not raining on both incidents. I actually had the car at the shop for something else the first time this happened and I told them to please disable that feature, and they could not. I do not keep anything worth stealing in the car when it is at home, but what if we have groceries or other things locked in the car when we are travelling and this happens? And what if it rains after this occurs? Will Ford pay for the internal damage to the car?

[bemyax]

Looked out the window this morning and all the windows were down. If it was a user error, I must have done it last night because there was frost on the interior surfaces. (parked outside :sad face:) For all you old folks in Calfornia, remember when you had the Western White House? Some people could tell you when Air Force One was in town by the freaky garage door activity. Jus sayin'. 

Edited December 24, 2013 by bemyax

[DaveofDurham]

Went out at 6am today to pick up my just married on Sunday son and daughter-in-law to take them to the airport for the start of their honeymoon.

 

Started to slowly roll the car down the dark driveway and it felt awfully cold because all of the windows were all the way down.  This is at least the 2nd time I have had this happen.  Luckily there was no frost and none of the snow/freezing rain that we are about to get in about an hour.

[BullDurham]

This is a truly stupid feature.  Or, rather, what is stupid is that the owner cannot decide whether he wants to deactivate it or not.  I bought my 2013 C-Max in November, 2012.  My manual says that the dealer can disable the global opening feature.  But the dealer told me he can't do it.  When I contacted Ford they told me the dealer was correct and my manual was incorrect.  I'm stuck with the global opening feature whether I like it or not.  I hate it.

 

It has rained into my car twice and snowed once.  I am now forced to put my car key on my dresser when I'm inside my house for fear that I will accidentally roll down all the windows.  My real fear is that I'll go on a trip, park my car outside a restaurant, and accidentally roll down the windows while I'm eating.  When I come back to the car, my luggage will be gone.  

 

I am waiting for my third battery to be installed (with less than 5800 miles on the car), I have to worry about rain in my car, and the MyFord system is so complicated I can't even change the radio station without getting out the manual.

 

I've never owned an American car before, and I'm beginning to think I made a big mistake in buying this one.  

[DaveofDurham]

This is a truly stupid feature.  Or, rather, what is stupid is that the owner cannot decide whether he wants to deactivate it or not.  I bought my 2013 C-Max in November, 2012.  My manual says that the dealer can disable the global opening feature.  But the dealer told me he can't do it.  When I contacted Ford they told me the dealer was correct and my manual was incorrect.  I'm stuck with the global opening feature whether I like it or not.  I hate it.

 

It has rained into my car twice and snowed once.  I am now forced to put my car key on my dresser when I'm inside my house for fear that I will accidentally roll down all the windows.  My real fear is that I'll go on a trip, park my car outside a restaurant, and accidentally roll down the windows while I'm eating.  When I come back to the car, my luggage will be gone.  

 

I am waiting for my third battery to be installed (with less than 5800 miles on the car), I have to worry about rain in my car, and the MyFord system is so complicated I can't even change the radio station without getting out the manual.

 

I've never owned an American car before, and I'm beginning to think I made a big mistake in buying this one.  

 

BullDurham -

 

Welcome to the forum.  Sorry you have been experiencing the windows rolling down and 12v battery problems.

 

We got our C-Max (at University Ford in Durham) about a month after you got yours.  We have had at least 2 windows rolling down episodes, but no problems with the 12v battery.

 

Make a few more posts and I will send you a PM (you need to make 5 or maybe its 6 posts before you can reply to a PM).

[ceemax71]

This is a truly stupid feature.  Or, rather, what is stupid is that the owner cannot decide whether he wants to deactivate it or not.  I bought my 2013 C-Max in November, 2012.  My manual says that the dealer can disable the global opening feature.  But the dealer told me he can't do it.  When I contacted Ford they told me the dealer was correct and my manual was incorrect.  I'm stuck with the global opening feature whether I like it or not.  I hate it.

 

It has rained into my car twice and snowed once.  I am now forced to put my car key on my dresser when I'm inside my house for fear that I will accidentally roll down all the windows.  My real fear is that I'll go on a trip, park my car outside a restaurant, and accidentally roll down the windows while I'm eating.  When I come back to the car, my luggage will be gone.  

 

I am waiting for my third battery to be installed (with less than 5800 miles on the car), I have to worry about rain in my car, and the MyFord system is so complicated I can't even change the radio station without getting out the manual.

 

I've never owned an American car before, and I'm beginning to think I made a big mistake in buying this one.  

 

Have the dealer look up special service message 4488:

 

Jan 08 2014 4488 -2013 CMAX Disable All Windows Open (Global Open)

 

Some customers may not want the Global Open Feature; which enables them to open all the vehicle windows by pressing and holding "unlock" button on the RKE transmitter. Global Open can be disabled using the IDS tool(version 88.01). Using IDS select Tool Box / Module Programming / Programmable Parameters / Car Configuration Parameter(s). Select Vehicle Configuration, Select Retrieve the Vehicle Configuration Data, Select Modify and Reinstate Vehicle Configuration Data, Select Global Open/Close, Select Global Open/Close Disabled. Performing this procedure is not a warrantable condition.

[DaveofDurham]

Have the dealer look up special service message 4488:

 

Jan 08 2014 4488 -2013 CMAX Disable All Windows Open (Global Open)

 

Some customers may not want the Global Open Feature; which enables them to open all the vehicle windows by pressing and holding "unlock" button on the RKE transmitter. Global Open can be disabled using the IDS tool(version 88.01). Using IDS select Tool Box / Module Programming / Programmable Parameters / Car Configuration Parameter(s). Select Vehicle Configuration, Select Retrieve the Vehicle Configuration Data, Select Modify and Reinstate Vehicle Configuration Data, Select Global Open/Close, Select Global Open/Close Disabled. Performing this procedure is not a warrantable condition.

 

Thanks ceemax71.  I had seen your earlier post about this in another window rolling thread, but I forgot about it.

 

Has anyone had this performed on their C-Max?  Does it work?  Any side effects? 

 

What does "Performing this procedure is not a warrantable condition." mean?

[ceemax71]

What does "Performing this procedure is not a warrantable condition." mean?

It means the dealer does not get reimbursed from Ford and the customer will probably have to pay for labor to perform the procedure.

It should only take 10 or 15 minutes for the procedure.

IMO, a good dealer would do it for free as a good will gesture.

[DaveofDurham]

It means the dealer does not get reimbursed from Ford and the customer will probably have to pay for labor to perform the procedure.

It should only take 10 or 15 minutes for the procedure.

IMO, a good dealer would do it for free as a good will gesture.

 

That's ridiculous that owners would get charged for this.  IMO Ford should do this for free as a goodwill gesture.  I also agree with your comment in the "Windows opened by themselves" thread that it would be nice if we could turn this on and off ourselves.

[ceemax71]

That's ridiculous that owners would get charged for this.  IMO Ford should do this for free as a goodwill gesture.  I also agree with your comment in the "Windows opened by themselves" thread that it would be nice if we could turn this on and off ourselves.

The owner can enable/disable the global open feature in the Ford Fusion (according to the Fusion owner's manual).

There should be no reason why it can't be done for the CMax.

[Bill-N]

That's ridiculous that owners would get charged for this.  IMO Ford should do this for free as a goodwill gesture.  I also agree with your comment in the "Windows opened by themselves" thread that it would be nice if we could turn this on and off ourselves.

 

I like the feature.

[DaveofDurham]

I like the feature.

 

I like the feature too, except when the windows roll themselves down when I don't want them to.

[BullDurham]

Thanks for the information.  I'm glad to know that Ford is now making it possible for dealers to disable the feature.  I will do that in the near future.  But I'm not going back today.  My car was there for two days while they fixed the latest battery problems.  

 

The C-MAX has spent more time in the shop in the 15  months that I've owned it than my Camry did in 14 years.  

[Cowspotdog]

I have this problem on my front passenger side window - it will go up and down by itself - I figure it just gets bored and likes to amuse itself :) :) :)

[obob]

Windows rolled themselves today.  Third time it happened to me but this time it was raining.  I am quite disturbed.  Last time I was at the dealer I requested them be disabled and the dealer said said there wasn't a fix.  I am going to write Ashley.

[DaveofDurham]

Windows rolled themselves today.  Third time it happened to me but this time it was raining.  I am quite disturbed.  Last time I was at the dealer I requested them be disabled and the dealer said said there wasn't a fix.  I am going to write Ashley.

 

Message #37 in this thread indicates there is a way for the dealer to turn this feature off.   Has anyone had this done on their car? 

 

[From message #37]

>>>Have the dealer look up special service message 4488:

 

Jan 08 2014 4488 -2013 CMAX Disable All Windows Open (Global Open)

 

Some customers may not want the Global Open Feature; which enables them to open all the vehicle windows by pressing and holding "unlock" button on the RKE transmitter. Global Open can be disabled using the IDS tool(version 88.01). Using IDS select Tool Box / Module Programming / Programmable Parameters / Car Configuration Parameter(s). Select Vehicle Configuration, Select Retrieve the Vehicle Configuration Data, Select Modify and Reinstate Vehicle Configuration Data, Select Global Open/Close, Select Global Open/Close Disabled. Performing this procedure is not a warrantable condition. >>>

[bemyax]

One of the hybrid guys at my dealer followed these instructions in February to disable the feature. Total due: $27.22. It was my way of figuring out which of the two vendors to work with. The "hybrid specialist" at the other place didn't know and didn't care. (It's the punch line from an old joke. "What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.") 

[mtcmax]

Twice I have asked this to be done, told twice done. Then told can not do. Even provided forum info. 

[banditb17]

Necro!

 

I just had this happen last night. I must have bumped the keys in my pocket when doing dishes. I heard my car alarm going off so I just turned that off and didn't think anything of it. Go in the garage this morning and all my windows were down.

 

It crushed the window shade for my infant on the back passenger side. Kinda disappointed.

 

I guess I will have to be more careful next time? I guess?