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The A/C sound is about right from my experience. This is the loudest A/C Compressor and fan I've ever heard.

Or could have just come back from the dealer. They always turn my auto headlights off because the car is in the bay. And I generally forget to set them back on until it gets dark enough to notice.

Just out of curiosity, you hope not what?

Wow, this has been active the past few days. I'll try and answer here instead of quoting. I never thought about how much I get out of the entire battery. I'd say 25 in winter and around 34 in summer, the winter is without heat. As others have noted, EV Later sets aside a portion of the battery equal to the size of the C-Max Hybrid, and then runs that portion up and down, just like the hybrid does.

Once the "hybrid portion kicks in, it won't go any further than yours, maybe two or three miles. However, many times I've managed to complete an all EV trip by being careful with the accelerator once the "big" battery is finished and I'm into the "hybrid" battery. There is no physical difference, of course; Ford just apportions off part of the Energi HVB and considers that the "hybrid" portion. I imagine they use different parts to spread the load around, but I don't know.

I probably should have said hybrid mode rather than EV later, although they are similar. The Energi is programmed as if the remaining "hybrid" battery is all there is. In fact there is a lot more HVB capacity available. You can see the effect after the HVB is out of EV and you are running hybrid. The battery attempts to leave room for regen when engaging EV. This is better for the hybrid, which has no extra battery - when you slow down, it has room in the HVB for energy capture. But with the Energi, it does not have to worry about leaving extra capacity to use for regen - it could theoretically perform differently, and not try and leave capacity in the battery. It changes the way the car uses EV. I don't know if it could be improved much, but I've noticed it tries to keep capacity available when the Energi is in "hybrid" mode - just like the C-Max Hybrid does. I doubt that a hybrid owner would notice, but to this Energi owner, I think it could be done better. Anyway, that is how I see that Ford duplicated the code instead of customizing it for the Energi. I think they took the hybrid code and basically tacked on the Energi modes (which were custom made for the plug in models). It is the same in EV+, but you can't monitor it like you can when the "hybrid" battery is showing - that is, after EV Only and EV Later modes are disabled. In EV Later mode, you still have the mileage estimate on the battery (at least up until the mid 2015 model year, not sure about 2016 and later) - and other than showing range going up and down, you can't really tell what the car is doing with the "hybrid" reserved portion of the battery.

I'm aware of the terminology. When I set up Go Times I checked out value charging; as I recall it was part of the process, or maybe I just did them together to see if there were cheaper rates. The Go time will consider the departure time and ensure the HVB is fully charged when you are ready to go, and I believe it will begin early regardless of value settings. You mentioned it might be best if the Energi waited until it had to for charging the HVB in order to be ready at departure. It does exactly that with the Go times. That is why I brought it up. In my opinion, EV+ doesn't make much sense for the Hybrid. If you run the battery all the way down, it will have to charge up immediately when you start, causing you to run the ICE while charging at first run. My Escape Hybrid tended to do that (that tech required the engine to run at each start up), and it is pretty much the worst for MPG. It would be better if there were more charge available when starting - at least you could get a start and logically kick in the engine once you got going. In addition, unlike the Energi where the grid will charge the HVB, the battery will be in a lower SOC overnight. I think it was easier for Ford to just put in a lot of the same software, and that is why EV+ is in the hybrid. Along those lines, they could have customized EV Later so that it used the higher capacity HVB - but they didn't; it works the same as the Hybrid, and I would bet that the computer algorithms are just about identical once you hit the EV Later swtich. There. Despite what I said, we just spend time discussing Energi topics on the hybrid forum - not many will be interested here.

livesmith, This is a C-Max Hybrid forum. The question is why EV+ would be meaningful for the hybrid. It makes sense for the Energi, which plugs into the grid daily. But there is no point in charging an Energi to 50% - the entire idea of that car is to use as much electric as possible. But in fact, you can use EV Later to charge your car the way you describe, and by default it will begin charging early enough to ensure it is fully charged before you start out in the morning. EDIT: Just a friendly tip. I monitor this forum even though I have an Energi because a lot of the car is the same. But I'm careful to only get involved in the discussions when I think the topic overlaps with the Energi model. I think it is good etiquette. You will get a lot more interest if you post Energi suff in the Energi forum.

I generally price them on line and then ask my local dealer if they will match.

Thanks for the link. Looks like I may have to consider it when my lease runs out next year.

I'm on the fence about buying mine after the lease runs out. But if I do purchase this one or a new one, I will be getting the ESP Premium Care for the life of my loan.

I think the "E" is electric only. They will continue the Energi and Hybrid with the Fusion.

You might get more response on the Energi forum. This one is for the C-Max hybrid.

Just another possibility. They may have implemented EV+ for the Energi, and then decided to leave it in for the hybrid as well. In either case, they planned for the battery effects. Also just a note, the latest Prius upper range models also use LiIon, not NiMh.

Not sure about the hybrid, but there is a disconnect behind the right rear passenger seat on the Energi. But so long as they stay away from the HVB and transmission, it should be no trouble. However, I also only service mine at ford, except for tires. The vehicle is too complex, and it is all computerized.

Well, I suppose the paddle shifter would go between the two available shift positions (D and L). I would also like power passenger, but there is the matter of weight and cost. My preferred change is still to put the "EV" switch on the console shift lever - there is room above the "hill control" button.

Well, I have an Energi, so I also need to calculate MPGe, and do a comparison of costs to drive hybrid vs. using my house electricity. So far I'm saving a few bucks each tank by plugging the car in, but I'm keeping my eye on it.

I actually record my information in a spreadsheet, every time I fill up.

I believe that one can order from fleet sales; it doesn't have to be for an actual fleet. Or at least that is my understanding.

The 2015 and later (US) models have the option to turn the DRL on and off. I imagine they simply removed that option from the driver setup menu for Canadian models.

I think the system learns your home based on the GPS - which takes some time? Also, you can name the home in the power settings display. Or maybe I did it with MFM, it has been a while.

The cost is less than 10K, if you think you did it properly, go to small claims court.

Ford does this to indicate a short in the lighting system. Typically that is a burnt out turn signal bulb somewhere. If it is intermittent, it may be a loose bulb. You need to stop when it is happening and check the lights. EDIT: Check the brake and tail lights as well.

Interesting!

Well, that certainly won't work with my Ice Storm!