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Consumer Reports news already posted here; http://fordcmaxhybridforum.com/index.php?/topic/646-ford-hybrids-fall-short-of-fuel-claims-consumer-reports/

Whats even more interesting is the Consumer Reports test that show the Prius and Prius C not hitting their combined EPA average. The Prius was 6 miles below EPA and the Prius C was 7 miles below EPA? That completely contradicts the Fuelly data, if you believe CR.

You really should track your results on Fuelly, helpful to everyone.

They are, I don't usually see much variation in summer, winter, or even driving style in mpg. Too bad there is a 20% price difference between D2 and RUG and VW products are so problem prone. My VW was still more reliable than my previous Toyota\Lexus.

Make & model CR overall mpg EPA combined mpg Difference Ford C-Max SE 37 47 10 Ford Fusion Hybrid SE 39 47 8 Toyota Prius C Two 43 50 7 Toyota Prius 44 50 6 Honda Civic Hybrid 40 44 4 Infiniti M35h 25 29 4 Lexus ES 300h 36 40 4 Buick LaCrosse (4-cyl., eAssist) 26 29 3 Honda Insight EX 38 41 3 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid 33 36 3 Lexus RX 450h 26 29 3 Lexus CT 200h 40 42 2 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE 38 40 2 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid 19 20 1 Toyota Highlander Hybrid 27 28 1 Toyota Prius V Three 41 42 1 Chevrolet Malibu Eco 29 29 0 Honda CR-Z EX (manual) 35 34 -1 I am suspect of these results given the real world results of the Sonata Hybrid reported by owners and my own tests. CR also reported getting better C-Max FE in highway driving and worse in the city, completely opposite of what everyone on here and Fuelly is reporting?? Stil the first comparative analysis I have seen.

My TDI also has a small electric heater in the dash to supplement until the diesel can produce enough waste heat for the cabin.

http://green.autoblog.com/2012/12/04/november-alt-fuel-sales-stay-solid-with-higher-ford-c-max-nissa/ In fact, Toyota's leadership may have been dented by Ford and its rapid alt-fuel vehicle sales growth. The US automaker almost tripled year-earlier alt-fuel vehicle sales to 7,157 units. Ford's C-Max Hybrid has emerged as by far the company's biggest alt-fuel seller, outpacing sales of the competing Toyota Prius V to total 3,589 units and becoming the second-best selling US hybrid to the Prius hatchback version. And in its first full month of sales, the C-Max Energi PHEV sold 1,259 units, compared to the 1,766 units sold of the Prius Plug-in (which took the top plug-in vehicle spot in the US last month), while Fusion Hybrid sales almost doubled from a year earlier to 1,834 units. Even the Focus Electric had its best-ever month, with sales of 172 vehicles.

I can't say whats causing the 25% of all reported Prius V drivers to get below the EPA combined mpg and it wouldn't be fair for me to speculate why. Possibly some other defect with those models? I know when my Lexus IS stated getting poor fuel economy I had a fuel leak and later Toyota issued 2 recalls for defective fuel pumps.

I agree completely with those findings. I don't have a way to test the mpg claims personally because my wife drives the C-Max 5 days of the week. When I drive EPA ratings are easy to achieve and exceed based upon dash readings. I have corrected for dash error. : )

This thread does seem to duplicate whats already been posted in other threads.

One person did look up CR Prius test. I would like to point out that CR's Prius city MPG is only 32, not near the 51 MPGs that the EPA sticker has. That is only 63% of the EPA city value. CR did exceed the EPA highway figure for the Prius and get 88% of the overall EPA MPG. If after break in the Fords get about 41 MPG overall, that would put them at about the same MPG percentage as the Prius.

Nothing personally. I site Prius examples as an established hybrid reference point for comparison of data.

vehicles mpg 24 41 17 40 14 39 6 38 7 37 2 36 2 35 -------------------- 55 55/212 = .25 or 1/4 Point was that is not a small amount getting below the EPA combined mpg. Are you currently or formerly a Prius owner?

Thanks for the link, Consumer Reports had some interesting response from these owners. http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2012/12/owners-report-fords-latest-hybrids-dont-live-up-to-47-mpg-claims.html

I can visualize all the service visits that would generate. :)

29% or almost 1/3 of all the reported Prius V get below the 42 combined EPA, thats not a small percentage.

In some of the lower than EPA Prius drivers the notes reveal sustained higher than 60 mph highway miles.

I observe this truth everyday on my way to and from work.

Elon Musk said its harder to build electric cars than rockets. http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=28096

Tesla and the Chevy Volt were built from the ground up with batteries designed into the chassis. The hybrid components were added on to the C-Max design for the North American market.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2012/12/evolve-20121203.html

Looks promising.

If you reset your lifetime average EV+ is also reset.

You may already know this but selecting the Empower display option will give you the amount of max pedal application to remain in EV.