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Jus please explain your quote regarding trip2 and 2 decimals.

ouch, that one can take a long time to fix and they'll need to open the headliner. not a fun job and may result it loosening of it which will cause customers to complain even more. this will cost Ford some dough for sure.

get a new one to replace as the ones built in 2013 after March should have most major bugs worked out and TSBs applied at factory.

if your car was born/made in Sept 2012 then it was one of the very first cars off of the brand new production line with new workers, not 6 months after, as you stated in your message. all brand new 1st gen cars or any built product has issues/bugs so thats why they warn you not to buy a first gen car. if you do the lemon law trade get a new one made after April 2013 so you know the bugs are out and updates all applied to the car.

use A/C at 73 and use recirculate mode so it uses less power. turn on the dash display to show which accesories are using the power and how much to isolate. use max ac mode to cool it down with windows up, then switch to auto mode but with recirculate on.

doesn't hurt to try and remove the tildes too as it can't be too many of those to see if it works/ fixes it.

seems enough folks complained about it (to the dealer / Ford corporate, not here in the cmax forums that we noticed) to warrant a TSB to be issued. This goes back to owner education/traning/awareness for these new hybrid cars, especially if they never drove one before and don't understand regen brakes . would have been cheaper to include a extra paper flyer v in the owner docs upon pickup from the dealer than to have to "fix" the brake issue under warranty on their dime. i know a few here did say they had an issue with reverse instead of drive being engaged but that was maybe 1 or 2 here. oh well good to see Ford all over there issues and fixing alot of different string stuff to ensure this car is rock solid for next year's model to increase customer satisfaction and loyalty and retention.

plus 3, the fuelly numbers WOULD benefit from using median instead of avg since it IS like the housing market, where different states have different yearly temperatures (like the home costs). each driver is different like the sq footage of each home, etc, etc. this is especially true here in So Cal where the houses are much more expensive and temps are very different year round compared to the rest of the USA..just ask JUS-a-c-max. he is a real estate agent. if they used avg for home price data, data here in CA would greatly skew the home price average to a higher number for the overall and that would affect the loan rates and economy numbers. and the very fact that we know there are bogus numbers/users in the fuelly data sample and the diesel user who you mentioned should not be in there, who are all pulling the cmax avg down inappropriately. the sample size of about 200 is not really enough to represent the population of all 2013 C-Max's since the population is about 70,000?? or so. i don't have the cmax sales numbers to date and don't have my Minitab stats software handy to calculate the minimum sample size needed to be valid but.... yes with at least 35-50 data points you can start to get a initial basis sample avg but since there are 50 states in question to make sure all temps are covered you'd want to have at least 10-30 cmax owners from each state report in to fuelly to really be representative, which would mean you need at least 500-1500 fuelly data points to be real, and each would need at least a years worth of their mpg data since we know that the cmax is temp sensitive so we need to see how the low and high temps affect the numbers during the summer and winter months. some have more winter months than spring/summer months.median is the way to go due to so many variables present in the data. if you worked in quality you'd know that you could not take an average with so many different data streams present to weed thru. you also have the engine break in period which can be 1/4 to 1/2 a year (3000-5000 miles). many folks fuelly haven't even come close to driving that many miles yet. you also have the learning curve time for this car even for seasoned Hybrid drivers since the cmax has a lithium ion battery and a different mpg algorithm programmed to max it's fuel economy in its own special way. i think the cmax Fuelly data has a long way to go before we can use it as a fact for this or any car. the prius has many more owners and its been out for a long time so it's fuelly data can be trusted more than the cmax data. there are over 2200 Prius data points on Fuelly now. you can't just look at the graph and guess, and you can't say there is no significant difference between the avg and the median of 200+ values. you have to run the numbers, which i will do.and we know a 0.5 mpg difference means a lot more to a c-max rated at 47mpg than it does to a car rated at 24 mpg. Also if you apply the filter to only show those who correctly picked HYBRID as their engine you have 152 data points and the avg avg mpg is closer to 42/43 mpg instead of just the 39/40 mpg if you include all 225 data points. further more there are a bunch of n/a zero mpg posted users (most suspicious of being bogus to lower the avg value on purpose) so you need to use the "hide zero values" link/button which then drops the total data points down to 152 data points. a key statistic missing is the variance or standard deviation between the values to show how much difference there is between drivers/owners of the cmax. we know it's pretty high as can be seen by the graph and range of 32 avg mpg all the way to 48 avg mpg = 16 mpg difference from low to high this is what i do in my job (one of the MANY things so i do know statistics. I'm a certified quality engineer (CQE) fuelly needs MEDIAN. time for a petition. ======= plus 3 said: "This is not the housing market where the sales value varies by square footage, location, amenities and so forth such that one $10 million sale might be the equivalent of 50 median priced home sales. In the housing market, median is appropriate. In FE (assuming sample size is appropriate), average or median is fine as there's likely little difference between the two."

drive in??? what's that??? never heard of such a thing.....;) j/k those sure are a rare thing these days. been to only a few in my life a long time ago.

in your number 3 in the secret sauce section, you need to explain to the beginners what you mean by "double tap" and how that works, and you didn't say which way to double tap (up vs down). i assume you want to tap the cruise set/- button DOWN to lower your set cruise speed by 2 mph less correct? please make this clearer as it sounds/reads like special "club members only" code/gibberish/slang to a beginner. like you said before your CMax you were new to hybrid driving and jargon so keep your review text/info with the beginner in mind. even if they aren't a newbie they will have to relearn bad habits from their previous hybrid car.

needs corrections: "What I do find with the CMax in the cold is that it takes almost feel forever to heat up the ICE" need to get rid of the word "feel"

Jus, something is funny with your graph scales on the x axis. it ends going from 8446 to 2168. all other numbers are increasing but the last one. please fix also you should update your fuelly screenshot to show your 800+ mile tank since the current one shows the 600 mile tank as your best to date.for new forum members, it's better to show them what is possible in the C-Max right?

i knew that wasnt normal. glad the person here that had this issue will have a remedy for their noisy a/c that was waking up the dead and causing much embarrassment while driving near friends and neighbors.

well said Jus

why you choosing favs now Jus, we all deserve to know the secrets, so we all should get PMs from you, or just post them here for all to see. you want to be king of mpg, we know, snuff out the competition. :)

hybrid bear-i drive a new Passat and my wife drives a '99 Toyota 4Runner so she needs the more fuel efficient car for sure. the cmax will be hers but i will try my best to borrow it as much as i can to do some testing and let me post my comments on it for you all here.

since the 2014s order guide is already out and i think they start taking orders in July maybe you could get a 14. surely the bugs will be worked out and they will have all the updates already installed from the factory so no need to go in to the dealer right away (until the next major rev change) knock on vinyl. ;)

perhaps we need a minimum miles driven for the trip to post here as most can do 2 mile trips that get 60-80mpg if the terrain is ideal.

not lousy metro, anything over 49 mpg is excellent and deserves recognition as its not just the car but the driver as well that plays a big part in getting great numbers. the car is the paintbrush. the driver is the artist. keep it up.

reminds me of that awesome Audi commercial where the dad throws his son the keys to his Audi and said have fun tonight, and the son drives to his prom stag (alone) and he walks in and swiftly walks to the queen of the prom who is dancing with the prom king and he takes her and gives her a very hot and heavy kiss on the lips and then we see him running away and then back in the car we see him with a big black shiner/black eye (from the prom king/boyfriend punching him) but he has the BIGGEST smile/grin on his face like he conquered the world (which he did). he had big ball$/guts for once in his life. :0 the cmax did just that to the Prius.did the unexpected and didn't care what others said or thought and even got a black eye [EPA mpg controversy] but do what. the/it rocks. :wub2: :rockon:

i find if you use the cruise even in the city once there is a stretch a road without to many lights or stops for a little bit ( few blocks worth at least) you can make up a lot of mpgs there without the need to even know how to p&g. the cars computer can do a lot better job at steady acceleration than even your lightest foot.

my wife too, especially when she is getting <17 mpg usually.:( can't wait to get her the Max once she gets a job....tick tick tick tock.....

ok i thought you meant streaming from your online provider like Pandora to your phone, which would cost you an arm and a leg and a wheel off Maxine.

always great to hear about another cmax joining the fold here. family is growing by keep la and bounds. now that it's official don't forget to update your profile details to show the space about your new cmax model and color. (as shown to the left of all your posts on the forum)

2) i don't have a c-max but i assume most navs work the same way. the name of the street in your example is **4th**. the east and west part are just modifiers since the street goes a long ways in 2 directions and at the middle it changes from east to west. so always put in the street name part NOT the N,S,E,W part. just ignore that.on my nav once i get to the end it will ask me if i wanted the East or West side of that street (if there are 2 addresses that match yours but at opposite ends of town. i know many folks get this confused. 3) make sure you have updated maps or make sure the street is not new.hard to believe but it can take up to 3-4 YEARS for a new street to be added to the map makers databases and then make their way to the OEM or aftermarket GPS/nav makers discs for purchase/download for their customers. Also make sure your entry doesn't have any errors. do other addresses work ok or is it only one? check on navteq site that it exists since they are the ones who make the nav maps report any errors or missing roads/streets/pois to the so they are added on the next version. (remember that oem maps for cars are usually updated once a year but top of dash units like Garmin come out with updates each quarter.) sucks that the oem units cost 10 times what the Garmin units do and they are usually slower and less capable than the stock oembuilt in one's but that is life. 4) perhaps check out the forums over at the synch site for tips. read the list of possible commands. make a cheat sheet for the menu sequence it wants/needs to be told what to do, as others here have done. do you have a thick accent? no offense but it might not be able to recognize your inflections in your voice that make you unique and special. :) 5) did your free subscription to sirius run out? if it doesn't have traffic data it doesn't know not to take you around it. Also make sure you have checked the nav settings since theyprob went back to default settings which may be to not avoid traffic.or make sure you don't have a check box checked (or unchecked) that would be important like something named avoidances or avoid highways. my car can either choice all 3 route option or just the one (fastest) but you have to check a box on our off to decide which to use since not everyone wants to pick from 3 each and everytime. report back with what you find out . good luck. I'm sure it's something simple.